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Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby angrybill » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 17:46:26

Are people inherently good or evil ? Thoughts anyone?
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:01:34

Good. :cool:
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:02:01

Your question presupposes the existence of good or evil as absolutes to which one can adhere to varying degrees. The premise is false.

People are exactly what they need to be to survive in a given situation, while expending the minimal amount of energy necessary to do so.

Survival is not a morality play; either you do, or you do not. Everything else is a rationalization.
The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:08:07

How about you? any thoughts? My thoughts are that people are greedy selfish murderous self-deluded crazy asshats that deserve extinction, except for my kids. I'm not kidding, they are amazing, considering what screw-up parents they have. I'm kind of amazed really.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:09:53

Amoral, not immoral.
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Unread postby seldom_seen » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:11:53

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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:12:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'Y')our question presupposes the existence of good or evil as absolutes to which one can adhere to varying degrees. The premise is false.

People are exactly what they need to be to survive in a given situation, while expending the minimal amount of energy necessary to do so.

Survival is not a morality play; either you do, or you do not. Everything else is a rationalization.


You have answered with your mind. Ask what your sprit say's.

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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:22:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou have answered with your mind. Ask what your sprit say's.


What makes you think my spirit would say anything different? While we're at it, what makes you sure there's a difference between the two?
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:26:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou have answered with your mind. Ask what your sprit say's.


What makes you think my spirit would say anything different? While we're at it, what makes you sure there's a difference between the two?


Your sprit dosen't question, it knows.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby angrybill » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:27:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')ow about you? any thoughts? My thoughts are that people are greedy selfish murderous self-deluded crazy asshats that deserve extinction, except for my kids. I'm not kidding, they are amazing, considering what screw-up parents they have. I'm kind of amazed really.
I want to believe people are inherently good but it's probably a little of both. There probably is no absolutely correct answer.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:27:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou have answered with your mind. Ask what your sprit say's.


What makes you think my spirit would say anything different? While we're at it, what makes you sure there's a difference between the two?
Spirit includes all that we are, intuition, emotion, intangibles. Intellect is what it is.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:29:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou have answered with your mind. Ask what your sprit say's.


What makes you think my spirit would say anything different? While we're at it, what makes you sure there's a difference between the two?
Spirit includes all that we are, intuition, emotion, intangibles. Intellect is what it is.


Intuition.

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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:36:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('angrybill', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')ow about you? any thoughts? My thoughts are that people are greedy selfish murderous self-deluded crazy asshats that deserve extinction, except for my kids. I'm not kidding, they are amazing, considering what screw-up parents they have. I'm kind of amazed really.
I want to believe people are inherently good but it's probably a little of both. There probably is no absolutely correct answer.
We kill things to eat. We kill trees to build houses. We rip apart mountains to get fuel to burn. We pollute the oceans. Are we evil? No. We do what nature tells us to do. And nature tells us to spread the entropy around, to make those laws of thermodynamics into gospel. Nature abhors a gradient and the Gnostics were right.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:43:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')our sprit dosen't question, it knows.


What a bunch of quazi-metaphysical dogmatic crap. Nature recognizes only 1 truth: Adapt or die. Morality does not enter into the equation.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 18:48:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')our sprit dosen't question, it knows.


What a bunch of quazi-metaphysical dogmatic crap. Nature recognizes only 1 truth: Adapt or die. Morality does not enter into the equation.


Your mind may say it's right, even if it kills you.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby gampy » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 19:00:26

I guess it all depends on how you define good and evil.

I imagine that the vast majority here have a common idea about what good is.

Not so sure everyone would agree on evil.

I would say that people are born neutral. Neither/or.

I think sociopathology is a also neutral.

It's not until people begin to gain pleasure from other's pain and misfortune that you could call someone evil.

I would offer that it's sociopaths who develop the character traits that allow them to become" evil". But sociopathology is not evil in itself. It's a precursor, perhaps. A pre-exisiting condition that allows people to do evil.

I think there is some good in everyone, as well as some evil.

If you can somehow live your life on the "good" side more than the "evil", I would say you are doing alright. I would say few people ever get to the 80% good - 20% evil category.

Although there are many, many people at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Funny how that works.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 20:00:22

We ran a poll not too long ago...

People?
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby yippleflipple » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 21:07:29

that angrybill, he really knows his stuff... good topic!

I'd have to say that the pendulum will always swing back and forth and anything can effect its position... anything on the far end of the spectrum will either root itself out or create its opposite or both... i think this applies to both nature and nurture... but also, whatever it is that is valued, it is relative to one's perspective... so yeah.. little bit of both.
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby yippleflipple » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 21:09:39

also, is it my imagination or did wolf blitzer just tell me to be careful what I post on facebook?
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Re: Are people inherently good or evil ?

Unread postby GoghGoner » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 22:10:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')our sprit dosen't question, it knows.
What a bunch of quazi-metaphysical dogmatic crap. Nature recognizes only 1 truth: Adapt or die. Morality does not enter into the equation.

We have evolved to be good (moral). Love thy brother is what most folks feel to be true. It is an integral part of the equation.
The only question I have is why this strong desire to be moral, reproduce and ensure the survival of species. Random chance or by design. DNA doesn't work much differently than computer code.
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