[DrBang]

Stratovarius

I urge caution here. Making someone see something that they don't want to see is a an uphill battle. If the topic is threatening to their world view, they will fight like hell to kill it. Relationships will be laid waste. If even if you think its for you moms own good. She may not get it for a long time, after your relationship with her has been trashed. One she does understand, she will not thank you. It will mean hard times and the safe comfortable place her world has resided in will come crashing down. No one likes to hear that things will get bad for them and that they were in denial all along. They may try and shoot the messenger. Character assassination.

What I suggest is you tell her fragments. Fragments that relate to what she sees everyday (for example why the stock market crashes are happening now, also put a couple of flags in of a prediction that J6P will see at some point). Then give her access to the Crash Course so she can study in her own time in a non confrontation manner. Let her come to these conclusions on her own. Time will continue to prove you at least partly right if not completely so.

After she has seen the markers, she could ask you your opinion. The order things must happen are:

1 Understand what is happening
2 Understand what this means for people like her
3 Understand why and where elements of her life might be effected
4 Understand what needs to be done
5 Where to start and who can help her

This will be painful & stressful and it will not be easy for her and the people around her (you).

Good luck mate

Dr Bang

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I') think I'm ready to sit down and have the long and uncomfortable "talk" with my mom. It doesn't seem like there's any easy way to do it and I actually think there's no point in watering it down. Might as well tell it how it is.

[3aidlillahi]

When I find my wife, I think I'll break all of the news at that point. "Mom, Dad, I'm a Muslim and getting married and the world as we know it is about to collapse. Pass the potatoes, please?"

They won't know what hit them.

[RonMN]

Quote:
I urge caution here. Making someone see something that they don't want to see is a an uphill battle. If the topic is threatening to their world view, they will fight like hell to kill it. Relationships will be laid waste. <snip....> They may try and shoot the messenger. Character assassination.

I have lived this...don't think this is "idle chat"...I know better now. Listen to these words & be cautious!

[hermit]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'I') think I'm ready to sit down and have the long and uncomfortable "talk" with my mom.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '
')Sorry, is there a main thread about this specific topic?

[Stratovarius]

Do you guys think that some people just get it and some don't? It seems like some people have a predisposition to just jumping on board with all the doomers without hearing the rationality behind it. On the other side of the coin, some people just laugh it off without hearing the rationality behind it...

...they're more excited about that iPod that shuffles when you shake it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think I may have shot myself in the foot by preaching so hard about 9/11.

[Delphis]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DrBang', 'S')tratovarius

I urge caution here. Making someone see something that they don't want to see is a an uphill battle. If the topic is threatening to their world view, they will fight like hell to kill it. Relationships will be laid waste. If even if you think its for you moms own good. She may not get it for a long time, after your relationship with her has been trashed. One she does understand, she will not thank you. It will mean hard times and the safe comfortable place her world has resided in will come crashing down. No one likes to hear that things will get bad for them and that they were in denial all along. They may try and shoot the messenger. Character assassination.

What I suggest is you tell her fragments. Fragments that relate to what she sees everyday (for example why the stock market crashes are happening now, also put a couple of flags in of a prediction that J6P will see at some point). Then give her access to the Crash Course so she can study in her own time in a non confrontation manner. Let her come to these conclusions on her own. Time will continue to prove you at least partly right if not completely so.

After she has seen the markers, she could ask you your opinion. The order things must happen are:

1 Understand what is happening
2 Understand what this means for people like her
3 Understand why and where elements of her life might be effected
4 Understand what needs to be done
5 Where to start and who can help her

This will be painful & stressful and it will not be easy for her and the people around her (you).

Good luck mate

Dr Bang

[kam3Oen]

I had "the talk" with my dad about 2 years ago (along with my mom and siblings). Now I'm the wacko gun nut, but I did convince him to buy rural land as an investment. He keeps saying things to me like, "you should buy a new car", or "you should go back to school", even though he knows exactly what I think about that. Most people are not ready to face the truth, when it comes to the end of the easy life, the only one they've ever known.

[SuperTico]

Ha !
Check this out. When the idiot got (s)elected to be p_Resident for term two I told my old man " I'm outa here. It is OVER".
I refuse to live under a Nazi regime.
He shrugged it off like yeah yeah right.
6 months later I sold both of my quite successful farm operations, houses, cars, furniture, parrots, dogs, orchid collection, tools EVERYTHING. I left with 4 duffel bags,guns and outdoor gear, a laptop, my BOB and my American bulldog.
I called him up one day and he sais." Hey, whatcha doing "
I said Hanging some doors and making a bed.
" Oh you remodeling" I sais Noop. New house.
He said what neighborhood is it in.
Lake Arenal.
Where's that ?
Costa Rica
I told you I was outa there !

[skyemoor]

The best convincer I've found is the documentary A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash. After that, select news articles via email that continue to reinforce the point.

[hermit]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'W')hy?

[rangerone314]

Did warn my parents; not sure if the import got through or if they really believe it. They are also more concerned with the current downturn. One reaction was, what can we do? (to old to go back to work, etc)

Guess it looks like I'll have them living with me on the homestead... The wife seems to be mostly onboard... she's an environmental science major with concentration in geology and is well-versed in energy issues...

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SuperTico', 'H')a !
Check this out. When the idiot got (s)elected to be p_Resident for term two I told my old man " I'm outa here. It is OVER".
I refuse to live under a Nazi regime.
He shrugged it off like yeah yeah right.
6 months later I sold both of my quite successful farm operations, houses, cars, furniture, parrots, dogs, orchid collection, tools EVERYTHING. I left with 4 duffel bags,guns and outdoor gear, a laptop, my BOB and my American bulldog.
I called him up one day and he sais." Hey, whatcha doing "
I said Hanging some doors and making a bed.
" Oh you remodeling" I sais Noop. New house.
He said what neighborhood is it in.
Lake Arenal.
Where's that ?
Costa Rica
I told you I was outa there !

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodinagamin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SuperTico', 'H')a !
Check this out. When the idiot got (s)elected to be p_Resident for term two I told my old man " I'm outa here. It is OVER".
I refuse to live under a Nazi regime.
He shrugged it off like yeah yeah right.
6 months later I sold both of my quite successful farm operations, houses, cars, furniture, parrots, dogs, orchid collection, tools EVERYTHING. I left with 4 duffel bags,guns and outdoor gear, a laptop, my BOB and my American bulldog.
I called him up one day and he sais." Hey, whatcha doing "
I said Hanging some doors and making a bed.
" Oh you remodeling" I sais Noop. New house.
He said what neighborhood is it in.
Lake Arenal.
Where's that ?
Costa Rica
I told you I was outa there !

[Sixstrings]

I've been to London, Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Rome, and various little towns in between.

My favorite city is Prague, favorite country is Italy -- hands down. I'd say if you're only able to do one Euro vacation in your life, spend it all in Italy.

The Cinque Terre was my favorite in Italy, five villages hugging rock cliffs on the Rivierra. There's an old Roman road, the Via del Amore, connecting the villages. It's a lovely hike.. in some places the road has it's original Roman paving, in others it's deteriorated to slightly scary and narrow goat paths. Ah, skinny dipping by moonlight in the Mediteranean, drunk on red wine, almost drowning.. good times

[bodigami]

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[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodinagamin', 'I')taly wouldn't be a vacation, my idea is to stay. I am planning to study Product Design there, and stay. Be paid in euros and live there... probably marrying to an Italian girl. I have italian genes, and after almost finishing my course of italian (language and culture)... I have even more interest in living in Italy...

A close friend asked me where I will like to be in 2012, my reply was:

"In Venetia, alone or with company" (seeing the tides of a tsunami)

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodinagamin', 'I')taly wouldn't be a vacation, my idea is to stay. I am planning to study Product Design there, and stay. Be paid in euros and live there... probably marrying to an Italian girl. I have italian genes, and after almost finishing my course of italian (language and culture)... I have even more interest in living in Italy...

A close friend asked me where I will like to be in 2012, my reply was:

"In Venetia, alone or with company" (seeing the tides of a tsunami)

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '
')We get into Buddhism to have compassion for your kind of sentient being.