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A plan that works, etc
Re: A plan that works, etc
by Ludi » Mon 01 Dec 2008, 11:14:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'I')t might be good to turn this on its head. Any way of living is fine except one--the kind that makes future life impossible (basically the current norm).
Daniel Quinn phrases this rule as "There's no one right way to live."
Diversity is a survival strategy. Our society/culture has largely eliminated diverse ways of living, to make our way of life universal, with catastrophic consequences.
There are, of course, a few million folks still living different ways.
Excellent rant, btw, dohboi, with some very good ideas.
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Re: A plan that works, etc
by dohboi » Mon 01 Dec 2008, 11:22:21
Thanks, Ludi. I was thinking of Quinn when I said it--should have credited him.
Maybe the Quinnites should have a thread of our own?
Maybe the Quinnites should have a thread of our own?
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by mos6507 » Mon 01 Dec 2008, 11:23:43
If we don't tackle the population problem directly, we're doomed. Infinite growth has no technofix. You can kick the can down the road long enough for any of us today to be concerned over our own personal welfare or that of our children, but all growth has limits.
The best way to go is to use a technofix as a band-aid to buy enough time to reduce our population in a humane manner. I have my doubts this can or will happen. I think we've probably already mortally wounded the planet's biosphere as far as supporting humanity and a lot of other species goes. If you add to that an energy descent, I find it impossible to be optimistic about the future. It's just various shades of doom.
The best way to go is to use a technofix as a band-aid to buy enough time to reduce our population in a humane manner. I have my doubts this can or will happen. I think we've probably already mortally wounded the planet's biosphere as far as supporting humanity and a lot of other species goes. If you add to that an energy descent, I find it impossible to be optimistic about the future. It's just various shades of doom.
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Re: A plan that works, etc
by Ludi » Mon 01 Dec 2008, 11:39:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'M')aybe the Quinnites should have a thread of our own?
Looks like Troll bait.
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by Ludi » Mon 01 Dec 2008, 11:45:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think we've probably already mortally wounded the planet's biosphere as far as supporting humanity and a lot of other species goes.
I think it's pretty likely we've mortally wounded the planet as far as large populations or civilizations of humans are concerned. But humans themselves, as a species, are really tough little bastards, and possibly some could survive if they are not exterminated by their fellows. Specifically I'm thinking of the San of the Kalahari, who are remarkably adaptable, but are extremely endangered currently. They already migrated from a very different ecosystem (the mountains) to live in the Kalahari. If they or other populations with especially adaptive genetics were able to survive the collapse of the world civilization, humans as a species might continue for another 100,000 or million years. But who knows.
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Re: A plan that works, etc
by vtsnowedin » Mon 01 Dec 2008, 11:58:15
An awful lot of smoke here and not much fire. Do some of you write research grant proposals by any chance?
Here's my plan/ vision for the future.
By 2038 the world will dramatically reduce its use of fossil fuels and convert to using solar energy in all its forms to replace it.
Liquid fuel will be primarily from algae oil grown on desert ground.
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The world population will have collapsed from war and famine during the changeover but by chance more than by design has stabilized at 2.3 billion.The religious roots of many of these wars has created a worldwide hatred of religion in general and the public expression of religious beliefs is now universally forbidden especially intolerance of others in any form.
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Over fishing of the oceans has stopped and what fishing that is allowed uses large mesh nets without bottom dragging and every fish brought up in a net is put to its hightest use. No bi-catch is thrown back dead. Fish populations are rebounding rapidly as is the overall health of reef systems.
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The drop in fossil fuel use has dropped our emissions of CO2 but climate change continues driven by forces we as yet do not understand. Sea level has risen only 300mm (1 foot) and the drop in world population has allowed relocation of those few areas effected (mostly Bangladesh).
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Re: A plan that works, etc
by Plantagenet » Mon 01 Dec 2008, 12:39:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'T')he religious roots of many of these wars has created a worldwide hatred of religion in general and the public expression of religious beliefs is now universally forbidden especially intolerance of others in any form.
Wow. How do you envision this being enforced worldwide?
Sounds like a job for the thought police.
Religion is inextricably tied up with culture in places like India, Pakistan, etc. You can't suppress the religion without destroying the culture. I suspect that a future global prohibition on religion would itself be intolerably intrusive and would become universally hated, just as happened within the USSR when the Stalinists attempted to extirpate religion.
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How will they inforce it?? I'm guessing it won't be with UN sanctions.