[threadbear]

Forgive me Mos, I misquoted you above, just couldn't help myself. What can I say? It's dark, foggy, slow news night and I wanted to have some fun!

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'T')he nice thing about energy is that there are many sources.

[Heineken]

Outcast, you really need to read "The Party's Over." For a clue.

Then you can come here and link us to all the worthless Wikipedia articles you want.

[Olaf]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'T')his hit me a while ago as well. After a while, one does get tired of the recycled discussions, as well as some of the perennially stupid arguments, like why SUVs suck or don't suck.

In the same vein, having been on the board for 4+ years now, I realize that this is not something that is going to hit one day and the whole world fall apart. That doesn't mean that we don't have a very serious problem, just that history doesn't happen on my timeline, nor does it necessarily happen quickly.

But, I still respect many of the posters, and there's often (certainly not always) some decent discussion surrounding current goings on. I do wish it was a little easier to sift through the bigfoot sightings to get to the good stuff, but it is what it is.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'O')utcast, you really need to read "The Party's Over." For a clue.

Then you can come here and link us to all the worthless Wikipedia articles you want.

[SpringCreekFarm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')found something that has a GREATER density,

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'O')utcast, you really need to read "The Party's Over." For a clue.

Then you can come here and link us to all the worthless Wikipedia articles you want.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '.')..I found something that has a GREATER density, ...

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s it an energy source or transfer medium? It is important to observe this distinction. If it is a source like hydrocarbons then it may be viable.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s it an energy source or transfer medium? It is important to observe this distinction. If it is a source like hydrocarbons then it may be viable.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think the question is whether it is a Primary source like oil, coal, wood, etc or simply a carrier.

[Ludi]

It takes energy to make stuff.

[TWilliam]

Outcast you conveniently ignored the two other requirements. I said nothing else is as energy dense that is ALSO as practical and easily transportable as oil. Oh, and I forgot one additional requirement: abundance. Nothing else is as energy dense, practical, easily transportable AND as abundant as oil.

Incidentally, most of the items on your 'list' that have a higher energy density are refined from oil, so of course they will have a greater energy density. That's the point of the refining.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t takes energy to make stuff.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'I')n otherwords is it naturally occuring? No, it does need to be made.

[outcast]

I couldn't find one, so I posted the question on a science forum. Hopefully I can get an answer soon.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'I')n otherwords is it naturally occuring? No, it does need to be made.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')ncluding those involved in the production of the various reagents

[Heineken]

Look at the date on that patent. 1977.

There are many reasons why these exotic alternatives don't get off the ground.

Chief among them is scaleability. They may work fine in the lab or for small-scale applications or demonstration projects. But they can't in any practical or economic sense replace the fossil-fuel infrastructure. The fossil-fuel infrastructure is there because it IS practical, or has been, at least. In relative terms, it has been virtually free, in fact. Now there's this notion that we can conjure up something in the lab to smoothly replace it. We can't, and all things show it.

Until a vision of alternatives is coupled with a vision of power-down, environmental repair, and reduced human population, I can't take this stuff seriously.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')ook at the date on that patent. 1977.
There are many reasons why these exotic alternatives don't get off the ground.
Chief among them is scaleability. They may work fine in the lab or for small-scale applications or demonstration projects. But they can't in any practical or economic sense replace the fossil-fuel infrastructure. The fossil-fuel infrastructure is there because it IS practical, or has been, at least. In relative terms, it has been virtually free, in fact. Now there's this notion that we can conjure up something in the lab to smoothly replace it. We can't, and all things show it.
Until a vision of alternatives is coupled with a vision of power-down, environmental repair, and reduced human population, I can't take this stuff seriously.