[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')l qaeda exists ?

[Niagara]

Saddam was a piece of sub-human trash for setting the oil well fires during the Iraqi's retreat from Kuwait in 1991.



One billion barrels of oil were burnt causing the greatest environmental disater in earth's history.

The dense black smoke could be seen from space and destroyed untold wildlife. Black rain fell from the sky, creating lakes of oil up to 6 feet deep.

[mos6507]

The unfortunate thing is that hatred of the Bush administration is so rife that nobody is really able to be objective about terrorism anymore. Everything's gotten polarized to the point where you've got people in one corner who want to turn the US into a police state to avoid another 911, and people on the other who want to deny there is any threat whatsoever, throw open the borders, and just completely let our guard down.

[namenick]

And sure enough, the very next day we find that CBS fixed the story and it appears that when one considers the facts on Saddam producing the documents to show that the WMD's were in fact destroyed, it also becomes obvious that the CIA interrogator was lying.

For anyone interested in the facts this is a good read, short, and to the point.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/012808.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n') a world of objective reality, a reporter might say that the United States launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, under the false pretense that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, even after Iraq had repeatedly – and accurately – announced that its WMD had been destroyed in the 1990s.

On Dec. 7, 2002, Iraq even sent to the United Nations a 12,000-page declaration explaining how its WMD stockpiles had been eliminated. In fall 2002, Hussein’s government also allowed teams of U.N. inspectors into Iraq and gave them free rein to examine any site of their choosing.

Those inspections only ended in March 2003 when President George W. Bush decided to press ahead with war despite the U.N. Security Council’s refusal to authorize the invasion and its desire to give the U.N. inspectors time to finish their work.

But none of that reality is part of the history that Americans are supposed to know. The officially sanctioned U.S. account, as embraced by Bush in speech after speech, is that Saddam Hussein “chose war” by defying the U.N. over the WMD issue and by misleading the world into believing that he still possessed these weapons.

In line with Bush’s version of history, “60 Minutes” correspondent Pelley asked FBI interrogator George Piro why Hussein kept pretending that he had WMD even as U.S. troops massed on Iraq’s borders, when a simple announcement that the WMD was gone would have prevented the war.

[bratticus]

Translated from French:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')u]Iraq is believed to dream ...
Nov 25, 2008
AFP
KHAN RUHBAH (Iraq) - Sitting on one third of the oil reserves in the world, Col. Shakir Obeid and his men who guard pipelines in central Iraq, did not have enough to fill their 4x4.

Victims for months of a politico-administrative complicated plot between the Ministries of Oil and Interior and the men of the oil police, who are responsible for protecting vital arteries of the economy in Iraq, patrolling on foot, are underpaid, operate by hitchhiking and must bring their own water and fresh food.

Monday, in their headquarters for the central region Ruhbah Khan, 180 km south of Baghdad, they took advantage of a visit of a mere two American generals to present their grievances, hoping that they intercede on their behalf with the Iraqi government.

"Without fuel for our generator, we have not had electricity for four months. No electricity, no radio," laments Colonel Shakir. "For the 31 cars, we twenty liters per day: which we must use go from one guard post to another." "My men are paid half of what a single policeman receives. If it continues like that, we will all lose, they will desert the army" he continues.

Six months ago, the 31,000 men of the petroleum police came under the command of the Ministry of Interior. But their budget, still managed in part by the Ministry of Oil, did not follow.

"These guys are victims of a confusion of responsibilities between ministries of Interior and Petroleum, explained to AFP the U.S. General Michael Oates, commander of the Central Region. "They have no water, no wages, they move at their own expense. We must resolve this."

Along the 210 km pipeline which is responsible Col. Shakir, in central Iraq, there are 42 posts, in which a dozen men up a guard essentially static.

One, who asked not be identified, said: "We have two days and when we go home for two days must bring their meals. Me, as soon as I can I go to the police: they are paid $ 700 per month, double what I get! And those police are close to home, not lost here in the desert."

The police chief of Oil, General Hamid Abdullah, also made the trip. He claims to make every effort to unblock the situation, without success so far.

"I met the Prime Minister in this regard on September 3. I took pictures of the squalid shacks where my men live, I have shown to all leaders: nothing has changed. Yet we protect the main resource of the country. "

With oil revenues of about $600 million a week, guaranteed by the black gold flowing in pipelines they do not lack the means, says the U.S. General Frank Helmick.

"The Interior Ministry has been assigned a mission, but did not receive the means to fulfill it. There is much to do," says he, indicating that he would ask the organization to have a meeting between the two ministers to address this problem.

"Under Saddam Hussein, it was easier," he says: "if a pipeline was damaged, he sent his men to the village next door and killed everybody. So the tribes guaranteeing pipes, to stay alive. "

[the48thronin]

The last two statements are chilling in their simplicity and telling in their lack of understanding of the rights of all men to even exist.

Not mentioned in the article at all is if the one ministry is headed by now powerless minority Sunni and the other by the now in power majority Shia Muslims.. The two groups will return to killing each other as soon as we step out of the way!

Yoda

[bratticus]

But there's only one pipeline in Iraq that matters.

[nudibranch]

So, according to you, Yoda, we must stay there forever and intercede a civil war or else chilling humanity will do chilling things in chilling ways/
Yes! it is OUR fault they are killing themselves OUTRS! America should feel GUILTY! and we need to BE there so we can HELP! (Did you go to public school or somehting? Your brain is warped a bit on the edges)

And the only way to guarantee this is to make a global world where america polices everyones chilling actions and our sons get blown up.
You are brainwashed into globalism. Saddam handled it MUCH better and he didn't kill 1,250,000 men women and children to do it like we are doing., that is chilling.

[Tyler_JC]

Saddam did a fine job of keeping the peace but he did a lousy job of keeping the oil flowing.

We should have kidnapped his children, threatened to murder them, and then released them unharmed once he allowed Chevron, Exxon, whoever, to invest in his country.

It would have been a win/win for everyone.

There was no need to invade and occupy his country. (Assuming getting the oil flowing was our only objective)

If it's a war about oil we certainly are doing a shitty job of it.

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')e should have kidnapped his children, threatened to murder them, and then released them unharmed once he allowed Chevron, Exxon, whoever, to invest in his country.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', 'W')hat if he told them to keep the kids and called them martyrs?