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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby JJ » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 12:41:47

someone just emailed me this (sorry no link)
Explaining America to Russians by Thomas W. Chittum
Letter to the Editor The Nationalist Times, March 2008, page 7:

In 1996 I wrote a book explaining why America would break up in a second civil war. My book, Civil War Two, is now being translated into Russian for sale as an ebook there. Below is my attempt to explain America to Russians. The English language of my book can be purchased at http://amfirstbooks.com.
First I will introduce myself. I grew up in a small farming village in the state of Illinois. I was an infantry soldier in the American army and fought for a year in the jungles of Vietnam. After that undeclared and unconstitutional war, I worked as a computer programmer for many years. In 1996 I wrote “Civil War Two.” It predicted that America would break apart after a civil war that would be similar to the civil war that had torn apart Yugoslavia a few years earlier.

Now I will introduce Americans. Americans are so stupid they can’t remember anything longer than what you can put on a bumpersticker. “Save the Whales.” “I Got Mine.” “Nuke Iran.” “I Love My Pet Hamster.” Stupidity is the only thing that unites so-called Americans. That’s all you really have to remember about Americans. Without our one common trait of stupidity Americans have no basis for a national identity whatsoever. The establishment arranges these bumpersticker slogans into an infinite variety of combinations which they then sell back to the ravenous peasants in the form of movies, political parties, cults, lifestyles, TV programs, and even religions.
Now I will introduce our economy. All the previously mentioned garbage is paid for by a world-wide campaign of butchery and looting. By the way, Russia is right at the top of the list of nations due for another round of plundering.
Now I will introduce America. Officially, America was founded as a confederation of 13 independent states, each retaining their individual sovereignty. Actually it was a huge real estate swindle led by Masonic slave drivers in the South and Masonic merchants in the North. At first, the establishment in London resisted with the ham-fisted use of Hessian mercenaries who were rented to the British by a German nobleman, Wilhelm IX, and a banker, Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Later in the war a different faction of the establishment in London decided to allow us formal independence while regaining covert control by financial means.
At the same time that the British were attacking the Americans, their own establishment, consisting of landed aristocrats, was being infiltrated by banking families. The landed aristocrats were self-indulgent ninnies like George III, who wanted a world-wide British Empire. The banking families like the Rothschilds were more insightful, and eventually hijacked the British Empire from the aristocratic idiots. The bankers’ victory was finalized after World War II, when the British flag was pulled down around the world. However, the end of formal empire did not end the London-centered banking empire, which kept going without a pause.
After independence was granted, the 13 states re-formed as a single constitutional republic in order to form a more powerful central government, and for resisting anticipated British counter-attacks.
Thus America was hatched, and like a baby alligator it began devouring everything in its vicinity exactly as planned. The military line of least resistance led us straight west. Unfortunately for the rest of the world the vast abundance of this conquered territory has been entirely gobbled up, hence the desperate assault on overseas oil fields. Unfortunately for America, the military expense of plundering foreigners is getting to be more than the market value of the loot.
America does not have any actual history because every major event was the outcome of manipulation of us by the establishment in London. The London puppet masters always manipulated both sides of every dispute here in America. Currently, they select the candidates of both major political parties, and we are therefore effectively under total control of the London establishment.
As a result of this control, America is certain to continue looting the globe until we cross some line and we provoke a serious shooting war with either Russia or China or both. American military officers may step in and demand that our politicians stop this insanity, but even if they do they will not be able to stop the ongoing economic crash. That will set the stage for the most bizarre civil war ever in human history.
Meanwhile, our glorious imperial legions are being blasted into mincemeat and radiated by depleted uranium, thus guaranteeing by design that any sane remnants of our military officers will be unable to stop the chaos and coast-to-coast butchery of our second civil war because they will have no army at all. The military forces of all empires are always constructed primarily for shaping internal events. In our case, that means they must vanish, so they were sent to the other side of the globe to catch Osama bin Subcontractor.
Mr. Subcontractor is a fictional creation that the magicians at the Tavistock Institute pulled out of a hat. The Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Council for National Policy, the Bilderbergers, the Pilgrims Society, and Zionists beyond counting have all agreed that our military must not come home until they catch Mr. Subcontractor. Mr. Subcontractor – who is either dead or vacationing in Switzerland – must be carted and dragged in chains down Pennsylvania Avenue. It’s all a circus for the peasants. It’s all TV rubbish meant to camouflage the utter destruction of our military, followed by a catastrophic civil war here.
If Russia and China stand together, they may save most of the Eurasian continent, but the rest of the planet will be trashed back to a depopulated stone age just like America.

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 13:15:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')f I talked about the increased pathological violence orientation of arab culture (a culture that I would contend is more unified than this mosiac called america)... or if I just said "Muslims are stupid" I would be guilty of gross over-simplification.

False and true. If you were to talk about a general process within Arab society, then you'd likely be correct, although I couldn't say for sure. However, you should be able to hypothesize and then test that hypothesis with an analysis of the culture throughout recent history. If it comes out true, then it's not a "gross over-simplification." It's simply accurate. If it's false, then again, it's not an oversimplification, it's simply false.

To simply back away from making a statement like that if it's true is to succumb to political correctness while it's factually correct.

Same thing with the stupidification of America. Either the country as a whole has gotten dumber and more complacent or it hasn't. I don't think that you can honestly say that we as a country haven't gotten dumber.

What you are doing is the same thing that many people do. You're taking a factual result and, because you don't like the result (that America is becoming dumber), you sensationalize it in order to insinuate that we're saying "Americans are dumb". Then you try to emotionalize the argument by bringing my estimated race and religion into the mix. You do both of these because you know that you can't argue that the US hasn't gotten dumber so you try to argue around it.

You are correct that saying something like "Muslims are stupid" is a simplification. However, if you were to say that Muslims are stupid compared to Jews. That's likely true based off of IQ scores and personal experience. That's not to say that Muslims are intellectually less gifted, just that they've been hampered more through authoritarian and oppressive governments and occupations. I think the entire Muslim world has like 8 Nobel Prize winners: one of those being Yasser Arafat.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think it would be greeted with a little more critical thought than the "Americans are stupid" catch-phrase.

Has anybody said that "Americans are stupid"? No. We're saying that America is getting dumber. That's a progression of a nation. It's a simple empirical analysis that anyone with a basic understanding of statistics and the bell curve can understand.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby TommyJefferson » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 13:59:02

Anything the government subsidizes increases.

When we subsidize sloth, malinvestment, and stupidity, is it any wonder that such things will increase?

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 15:47:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')as anybody said that "Americans are stupid"? No. We're saying that America is getting dumber.

There is some truth to that. I can't cite any off the top of my head, but I've articles about testing standards slipping, etc. I've also read that average IQ has declined over the years.

Now, in the face of lower IQ scores, they've come up with a new nonsense -- EMOTIONAL intelligence. lol
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby Cloud9 » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 16:08:59

Are we more stupid than our parents? Maybe. One thing I am sure of; over the last thirty years, we have gotten more successful at testing ever larger portions of our population. Therefore, our test scores have declined. As our population gets larger, our bottom quartile gets larger. A few million idiots can make there presence felt. Some of them even vote.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 17:20:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'A')re we more stupid than our parents? Maybe. One thing I am sure of; over the last thirty years, we have gotten more successful at testing ever larger portions of our population. Therefore, our test scores have declined. As our population gets larger, our bottom quartile gets larger. A few million idiots can make there presence felt. Some of them even vote.

I'm talking about our test scores for things like math and science, not intelligence. We're going up against third world nations and coming out the loser. These are the nations that are supposed to be in the bottom quintile yet they still beat us.

Also, as we test more, our bottom quartile does increase. But so does our upper quartile, thus negating much of the decrease from the bottom quartile. However, this also happens in other countries. So it doesn't explain our decline in test scores against other nations.

Back in '98...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he recent conclusion that American high school seniors rank near the very bottom in the world based on their knowledge of math and science has unleashed a storm of debate over the validity of academic tests.
News and commentary pieces in leading U.S. newspapers dismissed the results of the Third International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) as misleading and unreflective of the freedom and creative thinking alive in U.S. classrooms.

Freedom and creative thinking? Yeah, we can't get the plumbing to work but we can sure as hell write a good movie script.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby JJ » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 17:25:16

the kids on Mindanoa have American kids beat with regards to school hands down. We are a nation of virtual functional illiterates.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby Ferretlover » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 18:12:50

"Gee, Mr. Chittum. Why don't you tell us what you Really think!"
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby Cloud9 » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 18:24:48

Remember what it was like when you taught your first year out of college and flunked a third of your class. Those high standards lasted through the first nine week grading period. Then the principal stepped in and reminded you that if a third of your class had failed to pass, you had failed to teach. A miracle happened and grades went up.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby JJ » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 19:19:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'R')emember what it was like when you taught your first year out of college and flunked a third of your class. Those high standards lasted through the first nine week grading period. Then the principal stepped in and reminded you that if a third of your class had failed to pass, you had failed to teach. A miracle happened and grades went up.

Cloud9, are you a teacher? My wife is a teacher, but refuses to teach in the US for a number of reasons; foremost "American children are brats".
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 19:30:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '"')Gee, Mr. Chittum. Why don't you tell us what you Really think!"

Who's Mr. Chittum? I have no idea what this is referencing.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 19:42:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'R')emember what it was like when you taught your first year out of college and flunked a third of your class. Those high standards lasted through the first nine week grading period. Then the principal stepped in and reminded you that if a third of your class had failed to pass, you had failed to teach. A miracle happened and grades went up.
Cloud9, are you a teacher? My wife is a teacher, but refuses to teach in the US for a number of reasons; foremost "American children are brats".

I stopped teaching in the Public Schools because it is a waste of time. You fight an uphill battle against culturally induced stupidity promoted through the media. No standards are adhered to and the few kids in any classroom that are interested in learning are swamped out by the behavioral issues of overstimulated and poorly nourished latchkey kids, whose parents both have to work 2 jobs just to pay the rent.

The devolution of Public Education over the last 30 years in the US mirrors the cultural bankruptcy we have been mired in. Teachers were devalued in the society, and the actual knowledge the teachers themselves have now is quite low. Anyone with decent math skills went into banking or IT, that's where the monetary rewards were. So kids come out of elementary school unable to add and subtract without the use of a calculator. I couldn't teach algebra or physics to these kids, I had to teach 3rd grade math first. If you are teaching 3rd Grade math to 9th grade students, you might as well throw up your hands, its too freaking late to fix the problem. They are bound for fast food jobs anyhow, and who needs algebra for that?

There is no fixing public education until we fix the culture surrounding us, and that isn't happening. What is happenning rather is that we are now imploding as a society on all levels.

Myself, I opted out and went as far out to the edge of Human Civilization as you can and still find kids to teach, and that is what I do. I teach only the ones who are there to learn, the parents have to pay for them to be there and if they don't listen and obey, I won't teach them for any amount of money. There are enough people around up here who value this that I make a good living doing it. How it will go when the monetary system collapses remains an open question however.

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby JJ » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 20:03:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I') stopped teaching in the Public Schools because it is a waste of time. You fight an uphill battle against culturally induced stupidity promoted through the media. No standards are adhered to and the few kids in any classroom that are interested in learning are swamped out by the behavioral issues of overstimulated and poorly nourished latchkey kids, whose parents both have to work 2 jobs just to pay the rent.
The devolution of Public Education over the last 30 years in the US mirrors the cultural bankruptcy we have been mired in. Teachers were devalued in the society, and the actual knowledge the teachers themselves have now is quite low. Anyone with decent math skills went into banking or IT, that's where the monetary rewards were. So kids come out of elementary school unable to add and subtract without the use of a calculator. I couldn't teach algebra or physics to these kids, I had to teach 3rd grade math first. If you are teaching 3rd Grade math to 9th grade students, you might as well throw up your hands, its too freaking late to fix the problem. They are bound for fast food jobs anyhow, and who needs algebra for that?
There is no fixing public education until we fix the culture surrounding us, and that isn't happening. What is happenning rather is that we are now imploding as a society on all levels.
Myself, I opted out and went as far out to the edge of Human Civilization as you can and still find kids to teach, and that is what I do. I teach only the ones who are there to learn, the parents have to pay for them to be there and if they don't listen and obey, I won't teach them for any amount of money. There are enough people around up here who value this that I make a good living doing it. How it will go when the monetary system collapses remains an open question however.

+1

I Googled Mr. Chittum and got a zillion references to the "coming breakup of the usa
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby Ferretlover » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 23:39:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '"')Gee, Mr. Chittum. Why don't you tell us what you Really think!"

Who's Mr. Chittum? I have no idea what this is referencing.

Mr. Chittum is the author of the rant posted in the OP.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 00:17:28

The first ten years of my adult life was spent in the Florida prison system as a classification officer. Those are the people who do paroles. The last twenty five have been spent in public education teaching high school history. I have two masters’ degrees and am nationally board certified and still can’t spell worth a damn. My wife is a teacher and my kids are attorneys.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby Zardoz » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 02:49:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '.')..Myself, I opted out and went as far out to the edge of Human Civilization as you can and still find kids to teach, and that is what I do. I teach only the ones who are there to learn, the parents have to pay for them to be there and if they don't listen and obey, I won't teach them for any amount of money. There are enough people around up here who value this that I make a good living doing it.

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 02:54:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '.')..Myself, I opted out and went as far out to the edge of Human Civilization as you can and still find kids to teach, and that is what I do. I teach only the ones who are there to learn, the parents have to pay for them to be there and if they don't listen and obey, I won't teach them for any amount of money. There are enough people around up here who value this that I make a good living doing it.

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The Matanuska Valley, start point of the Iditarod. Population around 60,000.

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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby TommyJefferson » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 11:15:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '.')..the few kids in any classroom that are interested in learning are swamped out by the behavioral issues of overstimulated and poorly nourished latchkey kids, whose parents both have to work 2 jobs just to pay the rent (and pay the income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, and inflation tax required to sustain the public school system).

There is a reason why the most desperately poor slum-dwellers in India send their children to for-profit private schools instead of the available public schools.

They get a better product at lower cost.

It amazes me how people can know that government-run telephone systems, postal systems, and hospitals are utter crap, yet think this somehow doesn't apply to the provision of education.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby 3aidlillahi » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 11:18:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '.')..the few kids in any classroom that are interested in learning are swamped out by the behavioral issues of overstimulated and poorly nourished latchkey kids, whose parents both have to work 2 jobs just to pay the rent (and pay the income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, and inflation tax required to sustain the public school system).
There is a reason why the most desperately poor slum-dwellers in India send their children to for-profit private schools instead of the available public schools.
They get a better product at lower cost.
It amazes me how people can know that government-run telephone systems, postal systems, and hospitals are utter crap, yet think somehow doesn't apply to the provision of education.

+1. One place that the US excels in for education is in higher-education (of course, the rest of the world does well also, lest I upset Cur with only talking of America). We go from a public HS system to a mix of public and private university system (since students' tuitions are subsidized at the public level) and all of the sudden the situation is different. Really amazing. I say that from first hand experience just 3 years ago.
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Re: The stupidification of America.

Postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 11:30:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'T')here is a reason why the most desperately poor slum-dwellers in India send their children to for-profit private schools instead of the available public schools.
They get a better product at lower cost.
It amazes me how people can know that government-run telephone systems, postal systems, and hospitals are utter crap, yet think this somehow doesn't apply to the provision of education.

It wasn't always that way. I got most of my education in the Public Schools.

Before it was evicerated by conservative republicans looking to spend money on the military an liberal democrats with specious ideas regarding relativistic education, the Public Education system in the US was actually quite good through the 70s.

Poor allocation of resources and a devolution of the culture surrounding education is what did it in. Privatization of education is not a solution to the problem on a general level, any more than capitalism is a solution to economic problems on a general level. It only works for a few, not the population at large.

The solution comes in having real standards and real consequences for not meeting the standards. That is why I favor a Test for Survival at Puberty, where all the adolescents have to go out into the wilderness for a year, and whoever comes back gets to procreate. What they learn in school will determine whether they live or die out there. Everyone should have equal opportunity to take advantage of the resource of education, if you choose to ignore it, when the test comes you will surely regret it. It sure would be easier to maintain discipline in the classroom if the kids know they are likely to DIE if they don't LISTEN. LOL.

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