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Basic human dis-satisfaction leads some who have to accumulate more.
Basic human dis-satisfaction leads some who do not have to kill those who have.
Revolution, war, consumerism, colonialism, etc etc... they are all manifestations of the same characteristic of this human animal.
Just like a football game you can choose your favorite team if you like but it borders on the inane to cheer for a team in the belief that they will change the game... just as inane as it would be to root for the Detroit Lions thinking that if they won the Super Bowl they would transform (american) football into sychronized swimming.
Human beings are what they are. Blame natural selection or the god of your choice if there is a need to place blame. But they are characteristics that the race shares and they are not going to be bred out of us anytime soon.
On the whole, I think it is much more productive to focus on living a good life in the world as it is and with people as they are than to waste time cursing the tiger for its stripes.
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The Elasticity of Human Nature (Split from India thread)
The Elasticity of Human Nature (Split from India thread)
by wisconsin_cur » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 05:24:40
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Re: Terror attack underway in India, may be a rather large o
by ReverseEngineer » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 05:47:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')Just like a football game you can choose your favorite team if you like but it borders on the inane to cheer for a team in the belief that they will change the game... just as inane as it would be to root for the Detroit Lions thinking that if they won the Super Bowl they would transform (american) football into sychronized swimming.
')Just like a football game you can choose your favorite team if you like but it borders on the inane to cheer for a team in the belief that they will change the game... just as inane as it would be to root for the Detroit Lions thinking that if they won the Super Bowl they would transform (american) football into sychronized swimming.
I am a Cheerleader for no team. I just analyze the strategies employed by the teams. I look for the underlying philosophy driving the strategy, and why particular resources lead to the choice of one philosophy or another. If your team has lots of fast guys and somebody with a good arm, maybe you go for a high powered offense, like the old San Diego Chargers in the days of the Mad Bomber, Darryl Lamonica. Or maybe if you have a lot of Bone Crushing big guys on the Defensive Line, you play a war of attrition like the Purple People Eaters of the old Minnnesota Vikings with Carl Eller and Alan Page. Some people are students of the game of Football, Hunter Thompson was. I am a student of the great game of Human Civilization. I see nothing wrong with making observations on the nature of this game.
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')On the whole, I think it is much more productive to focus on living a good life in the world as it is and with people as they are than to waste time cursing the tiger for its stripes.
I could not agree more that you should focus on living a good life in the world as it is, I strive to do that every day in my real life work. I could not disagree more with the idea that it is a waste of time to make value judgements on the nature of society, or in your words "curse the tiger for its stripes". If you accept this stuff as the inevitable result of Human Nature, immutable and unchangeable, you admit to being unable to grow and learn from your mistakes. As I mentioned in a post to Heineken, it has always been my philosophy that when you stop growing, you put one foot in the grave. I am not willing to consign Humanity to a perpetual cycle of repeptition of the same mistakes, and so I make it my job to elucidate the nature of the mistakes already made. Feel free to keep your analysis to what individuals can do themselves if you like. Leave me free to analyze the Big Picture. Disagree with the analysis if you like, as you do here, but do not attack my person for making such an analysis. We can have a good debate as long as it is kept clean this way.
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Re: Terror attack underway in India, may be a rather large o
by wisconsin_cur » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 06:09:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I') am a Cheerleader for no team.
Actually most all you do is boo one team ("bankstas") and cheer for another (Tom Joad).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I') could not agree more that you should focus on living a good life in the world as it is, I strive to do that every day in my real life work.
I believe you. I just do not think it is often reflected in this public space.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ')I could not disagree more with the idea that it is a waste of time to make value judgements on the nature of society, or in your words "curse the tiger for its stripes". If you accept this stuff as the inevitable result of Human Nature, immutable and unchangeable, you admit to being unable to grow and learn from your mistakes.
Individuals can learn and adapt but once the experiences that led one to learn and adapt are removed the creature returns to the mean. I have trained my JRT to obey the rules of the house. If he were to sire puppies, and those puppies removed from the house for a couple of years and then brought back, they would not know the rules of my house. individuals can grow but it does not become part of their genetic makeup. I can find ways to deal with my human instincts in a manner that controls them. My children will not receive that knowledge automatically. They will have to reflect on the world for themselves and make their own choices. We all start at the same place in respect to our relationship with our human nature. Thus the importance of, yet lack of insurance in, good parenting.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'A')s I mentioned in a post to Heineken, it has always been my philosophy that when you stop growing, you put one foot in the grave. I am not willing to consign Humanity to a perpetual cycle of repeptition of the same mistakes, and so I make it my job to elucidate the nature of the mistakes already made.
Because you have an emotional need for purpose does not make your analysis true.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'F')eel free to keep your analysis to what individuals can do themselves if you like. Leave me free to analyze the Big Picture. Disagree with the analysis if you like, as you do here, but do not attack my person for making such an analysis. We can have a good debate as long as it is kept clean this way.
Is it an attack to call you an Manichean? Or your thought "faith-based" to the extreme? Somehow you think you can attack people under the guise of "analysis" and then are exempt of "analysis" yourself. There is a name for that... but if I named it would that be an analysis or an attack? And if I did not name it would you then be guilty of the oppression that you are so ready to point out in those with power and my self guilty of not standing up to those who misuse power to silence others?
Dang... guess we are all human after all.
If I name that is it a value judgment (or are you only allowed to make those) or a personal attack (what everyone else makes)?
