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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 27 Oct 2008, 01:53:57

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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Kristen » Fri 31 Oct 2008, 23:23:35

did you like my songs Anagami?
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 27 Nov 2008, 06:09:28

Even if there is no rational reason to have hope, you've got to find a way to get some.

From hope comes courage, and it's better to live courageously than in fear.
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Revi » Thu 27 Nov 2008, 20:38:47

There is reason for hope as long as the sun comes up and there is water flowing in the streams. We are only living off this goo because it's easy. Humans are very adaptable. We can go back to living on sunlight again. Some of us already are.
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 27 Nov 2008, 23:31:28

Don't worry eating your fellow man won't be strange once everyone is doing it.

It will be considered normal

Sort of like punting babies, at first people frowned, but now it is turning into a national pass time.
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby outcast » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 20:28:03

There is no such thing as a "futureless time", there will always be a future.
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 29 Nov 2008, 21:46:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'T')here is no such thing as a "futureless time", there will always be a future.


If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If there is no one around to observe the future, is there a future?

Time only exists from the reference point of the observer, so without the observer, there is no future, no past or present either. How long is a millenia with nobody counting the minutes?

Your particular future at least in the world of matter depends on your staying alive, so if you see impending death, in this sense you as an individual have no future. Similarly, you could see impending death for your children, and realize they have no future either.

Of course there is a future beyond the world of matter, beyond the world of energy and gravity; of time and space. Its out there just beyond what you can touch, just beyond the range of your hearing and just beyond the edge of the horizon you see. You just have to open your mind to it, and you will feel it in your bones.

See you on the Other Side.

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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 30 Nov 2008, 00:28:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'D')on't worry eating your fellow man won't be strange once everyone is doing it.


Aren't posts like these reserved for Anarky321?
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby patience » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 08:42:26

As for this life, of course there is hope. I ain't dead yet.

For those who are losing hope, remember that pain is your friend. It lets you know you are still alive.

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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 02 Dec 2008, 12:30:49

Yes. I hope that my family and those that I care about 'make it' successfully (ie: alive and healthy) through the Great Correction.
"Open the gates of hell!" ~Morgan Freeman's character in the movie, Olympus Has Fallen.
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby coyote » Thu 01 Jan 2009, 09:42:22

These are not futureless times. You just start seeing the longer view, is all.
Lord, here comes the flood
We'll say goodbye to flesh and blood
If again the seas are silent in any still alive
It'll be those who gave their island to survive...
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Voice_du_More » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:39:35

Jesus is reason to hope. The Book of Revelation says that when God opens the seals and let's us have our way we ruin the earth, then He trumpets forth the standard and reminds us of the price that was paid (1/3 of everything dies, two witnesses come to remind us that God is a supernatural God, inhabiting some dimension that science struggles to percieve.) Then to wipe the slate clean he send seven angels to pour out bowls of wrath upon the kingdom which tried to control the world. He returns and peace finally reigns on earth. The only hope for the Earth is Jesus Christ.
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Revi » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 14:46:35

The sun is up for a few more minutes every day from now until June 21st.

Some of my students mentioned the end of the world in 2012, and I told them that the Mayan calendar works in long cycles. The oft cited date of December 12th, 2012 is just the end of one cycle and the beginning of a new one.

We are going to have some hard times, that's for sure.

I don't think the world is going to end, however.

The cycles of the seasons are probably not going to stop.

The earth abideth.
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Pops » Tue 06 Jan 2009, 16:38:57

My 7th generation grandfather was Abe Lincolns' grandfather and I'd bet he had some fears about the future (like what to feed his kids tomorrow) which we can't even imagine.

His grand kid turned out OK.

I'm thinking there is always a future, just not the one we imagine.


Prepare for the worst and hope for the best....
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Re: Is there any reason to hope in these futureless times...

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sat 10 Jan 2009, 03:12:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'T')here is no such thing as a "futureless time", there will always be a future.


If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If there is no one around to observe the future, is there a future?

Time only exists from the reference point of the observer, so without the observer, there is no future, no past or present either. How long is a millenia with nobody counting the minutes?

Your particular future at least in the world of matter depends on your staying alive, so if you see impending death, in this sense you as an individual have no future. Similarly, you could see impending death for your children, and realize they have no future either.

Of course there is a future beyond the world of matter, beyond the world of energy and gravity; of time and space. Its out there just beyond what you can touch, just beyond the range of your hearing and just beyond the edge of the horizon you see. You just have to open your mind to it, and you will feel it in your bones.

See you on the Other Side.

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