[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')You might have everything worked out but run out of salt in two years, for instance.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Y')ou might have everything worked out but run out of salt in two years, for instance.

[Pops]

Here is the self-sufficiency thread in Open:

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic48420.html

Lets leave Horses' thread alone on this count.

[shortonoil]

seahorse said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n an individual level we all need to conserve in every way shape and form. Conserve means become more responsible, more self reliant. Simplicity in thought and action.

[errorist]

Can the Self sufficent uberhuman remember sabletooth tiger? Locusts? Pneumonia?

FYI: civilization was called into existence to increase chances of survival.

In some billion years your siblings will meet a nearby red dwarf. Good luck to survive this on your own.

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]seahorse said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n an individual level we all need to conserve in every way shape and form. Conserve means become more responsible, more self reliant. Simplicity in thought and action.

[ROCKMAN]

Revi,

I also hope you are wrong but after kicking around 58 years I doubt you will be. One thing I have learned, IMHO, there is very little any politician or even an entire gov't agency can do to alter the flow of the economy to any great degree. But, if they try really hard, they can make it worse. PE Obama is a very charistmatic but, as you imply, human nature has developed over 100's of thousabds of years. Not likely to change of its own free will in a 4 year period.

[PenultimateManStanding]

The most convincing argument I've read (Stoneleigh at theautomaticearth.blogspot.com a few days ago) is that there is just too much deleveraging yet to be done to the tune of umpteen trillions for injections of cash to do anything but disappear down into the black hole. No inflation on the distant horizon, just more and worse deflation. Is that right? Beats me. But it makes sense.

[TreebeardsUncle]

Defaltion will continue in general for the next 18 months, with some counter-current seasonal inflation in oil for the summer driving seasons. After that inflation will resume in a stronger way as the economies come out of recession.

The green economy will not produce as much energy as the fossil fuel economy as the energy density in solar, wind, bio-fuels etc is lower than it is in oil, coal, and natural gas.

g

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'O')utcome: Deflation.

[evilgenius]

What nobody is realizing about inflation, esp hyperinflation. is that it needs to be facilitated in order to take place. It isn't facilitated without something like the good old wage price spiral. Nothing like the spiral is conceivable in today's America. If you are an inflation hawk you will need to argue how the spiral can be reintroduced.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'W')hat nobody is realizing about inflation, esp hyperinflation. is that it needs to be facilitated in order to take place. It isn't facilitated without something like the good old wage price spiral. Nothing like the spiral is conceivable in today's America. If you are an inflation hawk you will need to argue how the spiral can be reintroduced.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'Y')ou want an answer?
An increase in the money supply must eventually find it's way into rising consumer prices.

[idiom]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Balloon did not deflate here, it POPPED. You can't reinflate a popped balloon.