[calgapa1]

What worries me the most of declining oil capacity is that the cost of building the components of renewable power systems (Solar PV or Wind Turbine generators) would go up so much as to them unafordable.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('calgapa1', 'W')hat worries me the most of declining oil capacity is that the cost of building the components of renewable power systems (Solar PV or Wind Turbine generators) would go up so much as to them unafordable.

[Revi]

I hope we actually start to do something soon. I would say that urgent action is definitely needed. Unfortunately the way things work I don't think it will happen.

I could be wrong. Obama may be able to do something.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') hope we actually start to do something soon. I would say that urgent action is definitely needed. Unfortunately the way things work I don't think it will happen.

I could be wrong. Obama may be able to do something.

[Revi]

It is a global problem, but it needs to be solved at the local level.

If Obama can put us on the path to reduced energy use it would solve a multitude of problems.

It's awfully hard to change a culture, though.

[Kristjan]

Of course we need urgent action. Obama has pledged to pour $150B into renewables over the next ten years. And during the campaign he has said that energy is his number one priority. OK, the financial and economic mess gained momentum and importance. But it still leaves energy at the top of the list for Obama. Click here for the full plan. I'm optimistic towards it all, but I'd rather not discuss the details because it's still too early to call.

If you are interested in the short term outlook for renewable energy, then here is a great podcast on the topic.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristjan', 'O')f course we need urgent action. Obama has pledged to pour $150B into renewables over the next ten years. And during the campaign he has said that energy is his number one priority. OK, the financial and economic mess gained momentum and importance. But it still leaves energy at the top of the list for Obama. Click here for the full plan. I'm optimistic towards it all, but I'd rather not discuss the details because it's still too early to call.

If you are interested in the short term outlook for renewable energy, then here is a great podcast on the topic.

[Kristjan]

The idea behind spending 15 B each year is that government won't be the only one investing. They want to encourage private spending and to do that they need to increase public spending. It's the same with the PTC/ITC. It has been predicted that the extension of the PTC will lead to 300 B investments.

[DrBang]

welcome

Dr Bang

[davep]

There is no chance that the current elite will make the changes that are necessary. They are in the pockets of global corporations. It has to be local. So stock up on guns and learn about how anarchy should really work. It's the only way (apart from barbarism) of avoiding the centralised concentration of power and money inherent in any centralised economy.

There will be a new world order. Make sure that the citizens create and enforce it.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '[')b]So stock up on guns and learn about how anarchy should really work. It's the only way (apart from barbarism) of avoiding the centralised concentration of power and money inherent in any centralised economy.

There will be a new world order. Make sure that the citizens create and enforce it.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristjan', 'T')he idea behind spending 15 B each year is that government won't be the only one investing. They want to encourage private spending and to do that they need to increase public spending. It's the same with the PTC/ITC. It has been predicted that the extension of the PTC will lead to 300 B investments.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '[')b]So stock up on guns and learn about how anarchy should really work. It's the only way (apart from barbarism) of avoiding the centralised concentration of power and money inherent in any centralised economy.

There will be a new world order. Make sure that the citizens create and enforce it.

[TireFire]

YES!!!
URGENT ACTION!
VERY URGENT ACTION!

If we don't take action now, we can all be dead by 2010!

[theluckycountry]

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat worries me the most of declining oil capacity is that the cost of building the components of renewable power systems (Solar PV or Wind Turbine generators) would go up so much as to make them unafordable.

[AgentR11]

"Urgent" is always the best way to sell things like doomer books and films. There never was anything urgent though; demand destruction turns out to not be apocalyptic but rather kinda boring. A slow grind down in the quality and quantity of what can be produced, not to mention the slow decline in what the consumer can purchase for an hour's worth of labor. There will be oil for the production of EV/wind 100 years from now, energy and food will be more pricey of course, compared to that hour, but people will still be overweight, and overfed.

Transportation wise... I dunno, EV's may turn out to be great stopgaps, but the power has to come from somewhere, and the only country producing PV/wind at a rate that makes a real dent is China, and well, I don't wanna live in China. And even in China, the hunt for fossil fuels is very high up on the list of priorities, even as we a gift them a captive supplier in Russia.

I dunno, just rambling I guess.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('calgapa1', 'W')hat worries me the most of declining oil capacity is that the cost of building the components of renewable power systems (Solar PV or Wind Turbine generators) would go up so much as to them unafordable.

[theluckycountry]

Shut up adam, we don't need kinder garden fantasies on the serious threads.

Affordable, Reliable, Clean Scorecard: Natural Gas Is Tops, Wind And Solar Are The Worst
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')oth analyses find natural gas is the most affordable, reliable, and clean electrical power source. Not far behind natural gas are nuclear, hydro, and coal. Lagging at the bottom of the affordability scorecard are wind and solar power. Natural gas is easily the lowest-cost electrical power source, with coal the second-most affordable...

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'S')hut up adam, we don't need kinder garden fantasies on the serious threads.

[theluckycountry]

You basically need to dumpster your TV adam. I know you think you're smarter than the tens of thousands of highly paid marketers out there, smarter than the legion of psychologists paid by the media corporations to get inside you head and fill it with lies. But the truth is, You're not! You're a dumbed down consumer drone, a bank account number, a credit score. That's why you got sucked into the EV revolution, sucked into the renewables transition, and sucked into Biden's lies about the future of your nation.

By any measure the average person over there is going deeper and deeper in debt and their savings have been going down and down for decades. This is basically your lifestyle, your future. Don't you care? Can't you see this happening?

Nope, just another brainless consumer lining up in the supermarket to whine about the price of meat and eggs...