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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby VMarcHart » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 12:46:18

There's an economic rule of thumb that says a commodity lose value near the end of its life, ie the black-and-white TV, but it assumes there's a replacement, in this case, the color TV.

I doubt we'll be out of oil in 3 years, and that we'll have found a replacement.

That said, I'd like a little bit of whatever Mr. Petak is smoking.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sat 18 Oct 2008, 02:23:13

I just thought I'd bump up this thread from a few months ago to read some of the responses. And it looks like Mr. Petak in the opening article, like me in the other thread, was a bit conservative as to when it would occur.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', 'N')o way it's going to $70 again.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'T')hat said, I'd like a little bit of whatever Mr. Petak is smoking.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he only 'trendline' I see is straight up. Wasn't oil $9.89/barrel ten short years ago? When did it ever 'trend' at $70-80?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoylentGreen', 'I')f I was Mr Petaks employer, I would randomly pick him for a urinalysis immedietly.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')eck no. Oil will drop to $70 preceded by Indian and Chinese consumption dropping even though the growth programme currently underway in those countries has barely started, and pigs will fly.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Sat 18 Oct 2008, 07:51:32

Ahhh. This thread is good for a nice morning laugh. :lol:
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby skeptik » Sat 18 Oct 2008, 08:10:09

Amazing what financial de-leveraging and a global economic downturn can do in such a short time.

According to Lloyds List, oil tanker rates are heading south. That means less oil is being shipped internationally.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sat 18 Oct 2008, 09:13:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'I') just thought I'd bump up this thread from a few months ago to read some of the responses. And it looks like Mr. Petak in the opening article, like...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'T')hat said, I'd like a little bit of whatever Mr. Petak is smoking.
Nothing else to say other than Mr. Petak was right, and that I definitely should be smoking his stuff.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby shortonsense » Sat 18 Oct 2008, 10:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'I') just thought I'd bump up this thread from a few months ago to read some of the responses. And it looks like Mr. Petak in the opening article, like me in the other thread, was a bit conservative as to when it would occur.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', 'N')o way it's going to $70 again.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'T')hat said, I'd like a little bit of whatever Mr. Petak is smoking.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he only 'trendline' I see is straight up. Wasn't oil $9.89/barrel ten short years ago? When did it ever 'trend' at $70-80?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoylentGreen', 'I')f I was Mr Petaks employer, I would randomly pick him for a urinalysis immedietly.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')eck no. Oil will drop to $70 preceded by Indian and Chinese consumption dropping even though the growth programme currently underway in those countries has barely started, and pigs will fly.

Oilfinder, this was just plain MEAN!!! Poor Roc is out there somewhere, hiding in some bunker counting and weighing his silver, waiting for a few billion to die, and whats been going on? I'M PLANNING A ROADTRIP BABY!!!!! Gas prices here are changing twice a day...DOWN....as of late.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sat 18 Oct 2008, 22:10:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'O')ilfinder, this was just plain MEAN!!! Poor Roc is out there somewhere, hiding in some bunker counting and weighing his silver, waiting for a few billion to die, and whats been going on? I'M PLANNING A ROADTRIP BABY!!!!! Gas prices here are changing twice a day...DOWN....as of late.

This forum is just soooo much fun. :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby Revi » Sat 18 Oct 2008, 22:42:27

I'd like to make a WAG. I think we've hit the bottom and oil will start to head back up now that it's gone below $70 a barrel.

The reasons are that the Northern Hemisphere is going into winter, people will start to heat their houses again.

The dollar will start to tank again once everybody pulls the money out of the mattress.

Opec is cutting production next week.

What do you think will happen?
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 00:24:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')'d like to make a WAG. I think we've hit the bottom and oil will start to head back up now that it's gone below $70 a barrel.

The reasons are that the Northern Hemisphere is going into winter, people will start to heat their houses again.

The dollar will start to tank again once everybody pulls the money out of the mattress.

Opec is cutting production next week.

What do you think will happen?


Boy, I can't predict the immediate future any better than the next guy, but I am just AMAZED that in your list, there isn't a single mention of field declines, Hubberts peak oil, depletion or depletion rates, bell shaped curves, poor discovery rates, lack of personnel, can't build rigs fast enough, or all the other things which are supposed to be causing the price to only go UP.

Deal with reality, or reality and cheap gasoline caused by peak oil will cause you to go on roadtrips!! [smilie=wav.gif]
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby Narz » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 01:46:48

I have to admit I got a chuckle out of this thread. :-D

Even though I was silly enough to buy silver & not sell it a few months after when it peaked at $22 (or so) an ounce. :oops:
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 02:31:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'O')ilfinder, this was just plain MEAN!!! Poor Roc is out there somewhere, hiding in some bunker counting and weighing his silver, waiting for a few billion to die, and whats been going on? I'M PLANNING A ROADTRIP BABY!!!!! Gas prices here are changing twice a day...DOWN....as of late.

This forum is just soooo much fun. :twisted: :twisted:


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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 02:50:31

There is also this nice thread where we read another opinion from May when prices were still on their way up.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nybody else getting the impression that this increase in oil prices is too much too soon? I think the market is being tested for demand destruction ...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')till, it is hard to quantify just how much oil should be worth in the present scenario. No doubt some type of market cycle will continue and the price of oil could fall rapidly for a short time.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o this is not a premature spike, but all part of what we should expect in the post PO era. Price and supply volatility will only increase over time - probably dramatically so by 2010.


I know it is what you do best OF2 but lets try to avoid having too selective memory shall we?
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 21:12:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')At least some are better at admitting they are wrong than others.

There is nothing "wrong" about looking at a map and concluding that Ghawar is in eastern SA, not northern. Sorry for my insistence on geographical accuracy.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sun 19 Oct 2008, 21:19:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'T')here is also this nice thread where we read another opinion from May when prices were still on their way up.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nybody else getting the impression that this increase in oil prices is too much too soon? I think the market is being tested for demand destruction ...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')till, it is hard to quantify just how much oil should be worth in the present scenario. No doubt some type of market cycle will continue and the price of oil could fall rapidly for a short time.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o this is not a premature spike, but all part of what we should expect in the post PO era. Price and supply volatility will only increase over time - probably dramatically so by 2010.


I know it is what you do best OF2 but lets try to avoid having too selective memory shall we?

I never said that ALL peaker/doomers here got it wrong, did I? No, obviously some are smarter than others. But for every peaker/doomer you can find me who thought that the price runup in the 1st half of the year was due in large part to speculators and the low dollar, I can find you at least two who thought that "this was it" and that prices would continue to go up for a very long time, and that not even a recession would have much of an effect on prices because we were near or past peak oil. This thread here should tell you how prevalent the latter viewpoint here was: Fully 3/4 of the people on this forum thought that oil would "never" go back down to $70. I repeat: 75%. Need I say more to demonstrate the prevailing opinion here?
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby shortonsense » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 01:46:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '
')I never said that ALL peaker/doomers here got it wrong, did I? No, obviously some are smarter than others.


Now thats just not fair to notice!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '
') Fully 3/4 of the people on this forum thought that oil would "never" go back down to $70. I repeat: 75%. Need I say more to demonstrate the prevailing opinion here?


Yeah, but that game isn't fair either. Go back in the archives and look at what people were saying just 3 years ago....they thought we would all die when oil hit $60 on the way UP.....I seem to recall one of the early guys saying something like, "OMG!!! At $50/BBL the economy will crash!!!" or some such thing.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 02:13:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')At least some are better at admitting they are wrong than others.

There is nothing "wrong" about looking at a map and concluding that Ghawar is in eastern SA, not northern. Sorry for my insistence on geographical accuracy.


I was talking about your reference saying that S.A. bordered Syria. Something even now you seem to have difficulty realizing is not true... just insisting on geographic accuracy.

but I digress and I apologize for the digression.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Mon 20 Oct 2008, 02:16:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'T')here is also this nice thread where we read another opinion from May when prices were still on their way up.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nybody else getting the impression that this increase in oil prices is too much too soon? I think the market is being tested for demand destruction ...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')till, it is hard to quantify just how much oil should be worth in the present scenario. No doubt some type of market cycle will continue and the price of oil could fall rapidly for a short time.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o this is not a premature spike, but all part of what we should expect in the post PO era. Price and supply volatility will only increase over time - probably dramatically so by 2010.


I know it is what you do best OF2 but lets try to avoid having too selective memory shall we?

I never said that ALL peaker/doomers here got it wrong, did I?

No but is yet another example of where you select evidence to support a position and then run with it.

I also don't think I have ever read you support a position by a doomer, even when it is born out by the facts. So I do not know what your motivation is... I guess to just "have fun" by poking people in the eye... in which case I guess you should have a good sense of humor when what is sauce for the goose becomes sauce for the gander.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby raisinbran » Fri 24 Oct 2008, 19:55:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '[')i]if we ever see $70 again (which I highly doubt)due to demand destruction it will never be for long as supply decline will force the prices right upto where sustained demand destruction takes place, and that probably can only occur with an ever increasing price.

IOW I believe that Petak's models are outdated and are based, probably, on growing supply.


Looks like the unlikely happened 3 months later.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby crudeoilfutures1 » Mon 17 Nov 2008, 06:24:42

I agree with you Mr.Worries.Everyone has an oil price prediction now-a-days.This is because the raise in crude oil prices.
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Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak

Unread postby Revi » Mon 17 Nov 2008, 13:03:50

It may go back up again. Clive Maund feels that it may be at the bottom and a weakening dollar may drive it back up again:

http://www.321energy.com/editorials/mau ... 11908.html

$56 is supposed to be the floor, and it has held around there for a week or so now. Are we at the bottom? Who knows?

It could start to creep back up now. We are going to have a winter, and that will burn off a lot of the excess distillates.

We'll see what happens.
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