by phaster » Fri 07 Nov 2008, 02:13:38
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IMHO "evangelicals" are pseudofundies, they lack real faith and worship Mammon like the rest of the nations of greed and selfishness. Real fundamentalists like Amish have faith - and they are doing fine and are the most PO prepared population in USA.
The problem I have noticed about people of "faith" is ironically enough is it excludes other point of view that believers hold to be true, and that religious communities more often than not create static culture devoid of advancement.
You mentioned Amish for example that subculture has some vary admirable traits, for example I was very impressed with the fact that last year after a killing spree in an amish community, the faith of the group allowed for forgiveness.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07273/821700-85.stm
Now that 9/11 is a somewhat distant memory in the American collective memory, because many in the American public are preoccupied with thoughts about the downward economy and although President elect Obama, did win the Electoral College by a big margin, this nation is still vary divided by religious fundamentalists in a very big way! For example although I do respect the Amish for their "faith" because they have the ability to forgive, I tend to view "Jesus Freaks" as a group as quite narrow minded bigots. This is because they invoke the name of Jesus and say they are proud to quote scripture, they do not seem to forgive people or groups who use violence and seem hellbent on using their Holier-Than-Thou attitude to try and mandate how other should live.
After 9/11 for example I was taken aback at how many national polls indicated that evangelicals as a group had a stronger than average opinion that the USA should use the full might of the US military send those bastards who brought down the WTC straight to hell. I had an opportunity to spend some time in "stan" land and see that many fundamentalist evangelicals and fundamentalist muslims are pretty much alike (in that they want to kill each other first and ask questions later). In both fundamentalist groups, they don't seem to have the ability to forgive as was the case with the amish community who experienced violence then forgave and didn't seek retribution.
The other thing I've noticed about evangelical and muslim fundamentalist with a Holier-Than-Thou attitude is they seem go out of their way to impose their morals on others. For example I'm in California and on the ballot there were two measures pretty much funded by faith based groups. The first measure was to overturn a law on the books giving teen age girls the right to an abortion without parental consent, and the second measure was something to the effect banning homosexual marriage. Pretty much I could give a rats ass about either measure, but voted to keep both measure on the books because I figure those are personal decisions individuals have to live with and if there is a god and a hell that people go to because of committing "sins" then why should I interfere with gods pre-ordained plan.
Yeah I know this is starting to should like a long winded rant, and I really should get some sleep now, but before I go thought I'd also point out that people of faith from what I've seen of the amish, fundamentalist evangelicals, and fundamentalist muslims don't seem to contribute very much advancement in the sciences such as math, biology, medicine, etc. (in other words the stuff that forms the basis of modern day "comfortable" civilization).