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Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

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Are they up to the task of dealing with scarcity?

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Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 03:47:03

David Brooks writes in today's NYTimes:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')aised in prosperity, favored by genetics, these young meritocrats will have to govern in a period when the demands on the nation’s wealth outstrip the supply. They will grapple with the growing burdens of an aging society, rising health care costs and high energy prices. They will have to make up for the trillion-plus dollars the government will spend to avoid a deep recession. They will have to struggle to keep their promises to cut taxes, create an energy revolution, pass an expensive health care plan and all the rest.

As Robert J. Samuelson writes in his forthcoming book, “The Great Inflation and Its Aftermath,” “Already, Americans face far more claims on their incomes than can be easily met.”

In the next few years, the nation’s wealth will either stagnate or shrink. The fiscal squeeze will grow severe. There will be fiercer struggles over scarce resources, starker divisions along factional lines. The challenge for the next president will be to cushion the pain of the current recession while at the same time trying to build a solid fiscal foundation so the country can thrive at some point in the future.

We’re probably entering a period, in other words, in which smart young liberals meet a stone-cold scarcity that they do not seem to recognize or have a plan for.

In an age of transition, the children are left to grapple with the burdens of their elders.


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Are Gen Xers (or their meritcratic leaders) capable of the task? I could make the argument either way... what do you think? Can Conservative Xers?
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby ohanian » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 03:51:54

Relax.

Generation X had to deal with the scarcity of personal failures since the day they were born.

Scarcity is a concept quite familiar with them.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby GeneralGreen » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 04:15:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')elax.

Generation X had to deal with the scarcity of personal failures since the day they were born.

Scarcity is a concept quite familiar with them.

:roll: :roll: :roll: yeah they sure had to sacrifice..I am part of this generation I can tell you my generation has no clue even on how to grow a basic potato. Generation Y is even worse.
X is a bunch of spoiled people with children mentalities. They will have no idea on how to deal with hardships...beyond aggression.
Also i expect as we go over the peak oil cliff around 2012...those Boomers will not only lose their benefits due to the financial crisis but..Xers and Yers will stop caring for these wasters. When push comes to shove next decade they will be singing a different tone.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 04:18:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GeneralGreen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')elax.

Generation X had to deal with the scarcity of personal failures since the day they were born.

Scarcity is a concept quite familiar with them.

:roll: :roll: :roll: yeah they sure had to sacrifice..I am part of this generation I can tell you my generation has no clue even on how to grow a basic potato. Generation Y is even worse.
X is a bunch of spoiled people with children mentalities. They will have no idea on how to deal with hardships...beyond aggression.
Also i expect as we go over the peak oil cliff around 2012...those Boomers will not only lose their benefits due to the financial crisis but..Xers and Yers will stop caring for these wasters. When push comes to shove next decade they will be singing a different tone.


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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby Ayoob » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 04:42:04

It should be pretty simple. We're going to throw the boomers under the bus. Problem solved!
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby RapaNui » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 04:55:52

Gen X will be seen among zombies, searching for power ups - shocked to find that they are not real.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 05:16:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I')t should be pretty simple. We're going to throw the boomers under the bus. Problem solved!


Not really. The bus has no oil to move. Throwing somebody under a stationary bus is not going to do much.

Gen Y and Gen X will generally be conscripted as Cannon Fodder. They will finally be able to use the skills they honed playing Grand Theft Auto on the X-box against each other.

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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby RapaNui » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 05:19:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I')t should be pretty simple. We're going to throw the boomers under the bus. Problem solved!


Not really. The bus has no oil to move. Throwing somebody under a stationary bus is not going to do much.

Gen Y and Gen X will generally be conscripted as Cannon Fodder. They will finally be able to use the skills they honed playing Grand Theft Auto on the X-box against each other.

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Throw Boomies under Boomies' free scooters. Take scooters. Rapa wants own free scooter, but not prequalified for free medicare free! :sad:.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 05:29:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RapaNui', '
')Throw Boomies under Boomies' free scooters. Take scooters. Rapa wants own free scooter, but not prequalified for free medicare free! :sad:.


If we have to live with telegraphic text as a communication form post peak oil, its time for extinction as a race.

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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby Quicksilver » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 05:51:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I')t should be pretty simple. We're going to throw the boomers under the bus. Problem solved!


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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 06:20:08

8) Well the gang bangers playing Xbox in their mommas crib may not amount to much but about two million Gen Xers have been or are serving in the military and will soon be veterans going to college under the current GI bill. Therein lies a pool of leaders that have and will step up to the plate and meet the challenges ahead.
It is pretty silly to lump all these young people into a group based on their birth decade and assume they all share some defect or ability in common.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby Ayoob » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 06:39:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')) Well the gang bangers playing Xbox in their mommas crib may not amount to much but about two million Gen Xers have been or are serving in the military and will soon be veterans going to college under the current GI bill. Therein lies a pool of leaders that have and will step up to the plate and meet the challenges ahead.
It is pretty silly to lump all these young people into a group based on their birth decade and assume they all share some defect or ability in common.


The Founding Fathers were the GenX of their time. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, etc.

Guess what happened to the boomers of that age?
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 06:41:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')It is pretty silly to lump all these young people into a group based on their birth decade and assume they all share some defect or ability in common.


I am basing the lumping solely on the statistical sample taken so far here on Peak Oil. How woul YOU rate the telegraphic text of Rapa Nui? New Constitution of the US:

"Rapa Boomers say Gatorade Drink. Pharoah wealth suck, always as. Dogmeat life is today yesterday. Scooter backward run up top deep hole. Me Tarzan, You Jane."

If this is the post Peak Oil Future, we are better off dead.

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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby thylacine » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 07:26:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I')t is pretty silly to lump all these young people into a group based on their birth decade and assume they all share some defect or ability in common.


Couldn't agree more.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he problems Baden-Powell was trying to address have a very contemporary ring: he worried that the young people of his day were a wasted generation. He wanted to unite different classes, and to give young people a purpose.


In the early 20th century Lord Baden-Powell had similar worries that the youth of the day were feckless wasters and set up the scouting movement to counter these negative traits in the population. These were the young people that a few years later were mown down in their thousands in the trenches in France and Belgium. We now look back in awe at the sacrifice and privations they endured. Some wasters!

I think it is a feature, noted thoughout history, that the older generation looks down on those coming after as being somehow not as well behaved/strong/brave etc. as they are. Generation X'ers capable of dealing with scarcity - certainly. Except those poor unfortunates devoured by zombies!
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 07:31:31

Before you decide to eat me, remember this: I’m old and stringy and probably have several communicable diseases.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 07:34:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'T')he Founding Fathers were the GenX of their time. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, etc.


Significant difference would be that Jefferson's text did not read like "Me Tarzan, You Jane."

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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 08:01:24

Xers will do fine. They're tougher than you think.

If you're interested, go pick up a copy of Strauss and Howe (19971) at the library or bookstore.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby Arsenal » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 09:17:16

As a GenXer I think we will do fine. My question for those touted Boomers. How can you sit on your high horse as say the younger generations are of lesser status?

You raped the globe and are leaving us the mess to clean up.

You vote in the most asinine laws/people I have ever seen. Don't argue here. It is a fact the older people vote more than the younger generations and you guys have the numbers.

You RAISED us!! So to say our generation are uneducated and wasteful fool is a little hypocritical. Maybe you should turned off the TV and ACTUALLY PARENTED.

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Now. It doesn't feel nice to be thrown into a group and labeled. Does it? We will do fine. All through out our lives we have been labeled the lost generation. Not enough numbers to matter and completely without focus. We will as will Gen Y when their time comes and we will probably bitch about it. :)

Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y, etc... We will all die the same if not prepared.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby Arsenal » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 09:24:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'T')he Founding Fathers were the GenX of their time. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, etc.


Significant difference would be that Jefferson's text did not read like "Me Tarzan, You Jane."

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Once again. You are trying to lump everyone from a specific time period into the same pot. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin were very educated but do you think that the farmer bringing their food to them were? Or the person holding the musket?

Get real RE. Quit generalizing.
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Re: Gen X: Capable of dealing with scarcity?

Unread postby benzoil » Tue 04 Nov 2008, 09:58:03

GenX will do fine. Or at least, as well as can be expected. Gen X is used to change. Gen Y is already used to getting less. I expect to see more problems from Boomers freaking out that their retirement just evaporated than X'ers freaking out because they have to change careers...again.
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