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Trading sites... Recommendations

Unread postby LaLaLand » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 14:46:02

I'm ready to buy stocks. Other than TD Ameritrade, I do not know of any other markets. Does anyone want to recommend some reputable trading sites?

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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 16 Oct 2008, 14:55:21

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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 22 Oct 2008, 09:03:09

Looks like nobody else is going to chime in on this thread, so I'll add some more. I'm very happy with Optionsxpress. Reasons:

1. No monthly service charges.
2. Really good free stuff- charting, real time quotes. If you're into fundamental analysis, they have pretty good free news feeds and such. Their tools for technical research are kind of formulaic, so if you're wanting to program your own technical search, you'd need to find an outside package to do that. I use Telechart for that.
3. If you're into trading options at all, they're great for that. Easy to find the greeks for a whole string of different options. They've got a nice pricer tool that allows you to input a future date and stock price, and it will estimate the option's price on that date.
4. Their prices are very reasonable. I think it starts at $14.95 for stocks, but pretty quickly drops down to $9.95 per trade. Options are in that same ballpark.
5. They do futures, so you have the ability to trade futures and get futures data.
6. They have a very nice streaming quotes screen with level 2 and the whole deal that's free. After a while, I decided all that data was more than I can handle. They have a real-time charting package and you can place trades directly from there. That's what I usually end up working with mostly. It's got an impressive selection of technical indicators that you can use with it. Probably 60 different possible indicators in all. I'm very impressed with their charting software.
7. They've got a nice selection of contingent orders that you can use. It's easy to program in something like "If the S&P 500 goes up 20 points, cover 100 shorts on Boeing and buy 300 IBM." or whatever.
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Unread postby davep » Wed 22 Oct 2008, 11:02:42

SPG, does that site trade NYMEX options?

If not, does anyone know a reputable online proker that does?

I´m feeling now is the time to start buying those options three years hence.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 22 Oct 2008, 11:16:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'S')PG, does that site trade NYMEX options?


Yes. There is a list of the futures contracts they trade here: http://www.optionsxpress.com/products/futures.aspx
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Unread postby davep » Wed 22 Oct 2008, 12:48:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'S')PG, does that site trade NYMEX options?


Yes. There is a list of the futures contracts they trade here: http://www.optionsxpress.com/products/futures.aspx


SPG, I was looking at their faq and apparently you can´t buy calls until you´re ´level 2´, whatever that is. How does one progress from level 0 (which I assume is the initial level) to level two? I´m not interested in trading stocks (level zero) and covered calls (level one) in order to get to the relevant level. Can you shed light on how they calculate this?
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 22 Oct 2008, 13:24:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'S')PG, I was looking at their faq and apparently you can´t buy calls until you´re ´level 2´, whatever that is. How does one progress from level 0 (which I assume is the initial level) to level two? I´m not interested in trading stocks (level zero) and covered calls (level one) in order to get to the relevant level. Can you shed light on how they calculate this?


Yeah. The regulatory agencies require that they screen people regarding whether they are adequately experienced to take on more risky kinds of trading. The factors that go into it include: Total net worth, liquid net worth, trading experience, and trading goal. The requirements to get approved for futures are: trading for at least a year, liquid net worth at least $25,000, and trading goal of "speculation". They don't say what the requirements are for the different levels, but it's along the same lines. It's based on a questionnaire that you fill out when you open the account, so it's not like they're going to require documentation of your net worth or anything. I'm not sure they're particularly vested in limiting your trading, but the regulatory agencies require them to screen people so they're not pulling some schmuck off the street and telling him to trade an iron condor on the S&P futures and watching him lose his shirt.
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Unread postby davep » Thu 23 Oct 2008, 09:17:39

Thanks SPG.

I´m now messing about with their virtual trader and am trying to get the symbol chain wotsit for crude oil options. Apparently the symbol is LO, but that gives me something else. Help!
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 23 Oct 2008, 10:32:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')´m now messing about with their virtual trader and am trying to get the symbol chain wotsit for crude oil options. Apparently the symbol is LO, but that gives me something else. Help!


It looks to me like the virtual trader is not set up to handle futures options. Optionsxpress definitely does do futures options though. If you have questions about it, you might want to contact them. The live chat help people could help you I'm sure.
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Unread postby davep » Tue 28 Oct 2008, 19:13:46

One last question...

As with all options, there is volatility. However, the volatility with nymex crude options doesn´t seem to be based on historical volatility. Nymex don´t explain it well, but it seems to be a variable based on demand for futures options. This would mean that it is elastic based on demand for the options, as opposed to being based on some kind of historic formula. This would go a long way to explaining the bubble we´ve recently experienced.

SPG, MrBill, anyone? Can you explain how the volatility of crude options is calculated?
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 28 Oct 2008, 20:03:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'S')PG, MrBill, anyone? Can you explain how the volatility of crude options is calculated?


There are two different volatility numbers that have significance.

The price of an option contract is established by supply and demand. Wherever an equal number of people want to sell and buy the option contract, that's the current price. That price is composed of two pieces: intrinsic value, and time value. Intrinsic value is the amount by which the option is in the money. Out of the money options, by definition, have zero intrinsic value. People break the time value out into different pieces, and eventually end up calculating a number called implied volatility. Implied volatility reflects the fact that in volatile markets there is a greater chance of out-of-the-money options becoming in-the-money before expiration. Thus options are more expensive in volatile markets than calm markets. This is important because, say you're trying to swing trade call options. You buy a call option, the price goes up, you sell your option. If the implied volatility went down in the meantime, you're going to make less money or maybe even lose money, so you have to pay attention to changes in implied volatility.

The other important volatility number is historic volatility. Historic volatility is calculated from old price data. People compare historic volatility to implied volatility to try to decide if an option is a good deal at it's current price or not.

If you want to learn more about options pricing, the Chicago Board of Options Exchange has a free online class here: link
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