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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby lorenzo » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:04:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I've actually been there before and done further research planning future trips. The fact that anyone could think Africa is the place to be is lunacy, in my opnion.

And I don't watch Fox News.


Well, perhaps it's just because you're not really swift then.

Who has the biggest reserves of cash on the planet? Indeed: China, Russia, Brazil, India and a host of Middle Eastern countries.

Who's investing hundreds of billions into Africa? Exactly, these countries.

Where do you find the fastest growing economies on the planet? All in Africa.

Where do you find the fastest growing per capita incomes on the planet? All in Africa.

Don't forget that per capita incomes in Africa are actually higher than those in South and South East Asia. Few people know this.

Don't forget that there's a huge lower middle class growing in these countries.

Don't forget that Africa controls some of the most critical natural resources on the planet, nowhere else to be found in such abundance.

Don't forget that production costs of major streams of goods are rising in Asia and that factories are already moving to Africa, en masse (e.g. textile).

Don't forget that there are virtually no more wars on the continent and that governments have made amazing progress in opening and strengthening investment climates.

Don't forget that the biggest economic growth sectors - the green energy economy and the ecosystem economy - are finding their hotspots in Africa.

The list of pros has now grown so much, that anyone with a keen sense of entrepreneurship knows that Africa is "it".


Ask the Chinese, they're the best entrepreneurs in the world. They're invading Africa by the millions.

Of course, old world Europeans and Americans have lost their sense of adventure and risk-taking. They are afraid to set foot on a continent they only know from gutter propaganda. But hey, nobody cares about these people. Euro-Americans don't really have a longterm future anyways. Let them stick to their certainties.


Some videos you wanna watch:

Euvin Naidoo: Africa as an investment
South African investment banker Euvin Naidoo explains why investing in Africa can make great business sense.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/euvi ... frica.html


Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala: How to help Africa? Do business there

We know the negative images of Africa -- famine and disease, conflict and corruption. But, says Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, there's another, less-told story happening in many African nations: one of reform, economic growth and business opportunity.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ngoz ... frica.html
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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby lorenzo » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:08:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I guess if you can keep both your hands and the coked-up child soldiers don't get you.


You weren't in China in 1990 because your sources told you it's one big miserable begging bowl there.


Or possibly because I was just getting out of high school then and was doing an enormous amount of traveling abroad and getting drunk with interesting people.


Fair enough, make sure you're there then, in 2010.
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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby RSFB » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:32:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')I'm the only one out of 200 people on this board who predicted oil to decline to under $80 before the end of the year.


If I was on the Titanic and predicted that the bar would serve drinks for free later in the trip... could I call myself a genius when it crashed into an iceberg?
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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:44:45

It has been a long running conspiracy by Africans to sell themselves into slavery and be mired in generations long poverty so that eventually they could take over the world after Peak Oil.

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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby Munqi » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:56:28

As much as i would like to see this continent rise out of its misery i just dont see it happening.


Their natural resources have never been anything but a curse to them. Why would it be any different now?
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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby Snowrunner » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 20:13:39

Africa on it's way up will be hit on the head by the rest of the world on it's way down.

The fortunes in Africa may improve, but considering where the majority is residing right now I wouldn't call it "paradise".

And unless you "fit in" you will always be an outsider.
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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby lorenzo » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 18:58:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RSFB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')I'm the only one out of 200 people on this board who predicted oil to decline to under $80 before the end of the year.


If I was on the Titanic and predicted that the bar would serve drinks for free later in the trip... could I call myself a genius when it crashed into an iceberg?


Yea. But the question is: are we on the Titanic? Or are we just watching the crappy movie, fantasized by a crappy director who's an attention whore?
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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby miles392 » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 19:12:48

Well the chinese said it themselves- the africans are simply lazy and dim-witted, that's why they bring in chinese workers. I agree the continent itself might have some potential but not because of africans.
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Re: Africa boom amidst global gloom

Unread postby Revi » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 20:00:24

There may be some places to hang out that are more stable than others. We just had a guy from Ghana visit us for the solar tour. Ghana has a large hydroelectric plant, a stable government and could be a great place to spend some time.

I used to live in the third world. You can live a fairly nice life if the situation in the country you are in stays stable.

I can't see these place really booming, but they can't crash as hard as we are doing. They have a small local economy that isn't as likely to boom or bust.
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South Africa's Tricky Task - Better Living and Energy Woes

Unread postby skiptamali » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 15:41:37

OK so I just read a great article by a blogger who recently returned from a trip to South Africa.

Given that I have an interest in international development, I found this to be a juicy article. There's obviously a constant struggle between developed countries and developing countries- who gets to determine how much carbon we can all emit? What's fair?

And what if a developing country wants a high standard of living but doesn't want to contribute to the fight against climate change? It seems this is the case with South Africa. (Does anyone on here live in SA or have extensive knowledge? Could you shed some additional light on this situation?)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou might think that having a single entity providing more than 95 percent of its power would make it easy for a nation to transition to renewable power and to introduce energy-efficient technologies. However, the economics of cheap energy from coal, a lack of competition, and government inaction are impeding South Africa's desire to cut carbon emissions.


Who, from outside or inside SA, can pressure the country to reduce its carbon emissions? And how, post Kyoto? Cap and trade, CDM, ? It looks like there's absolutely no pressure internally, with a large supply of coal and one utility that feels no competition for business.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he country ranks 41st in the world in per capita CO2 emissions, with less than half (9.19 metric tons per year) the output of the U.S. However, its reliance on coal for both electricity and transportation (through coal to liquids fuel that powers a majority of vehicles) places the country well ahead of China (91st) and India (133rd).


And amazingly, "According to a 2006 report by the Ministry of Environment and Tourism, 41.9 percent of South African households were "unelectrified" in 2001." So what's the deal, SA? Your citizens want a better standard of living, which would surely burden your energy infrastructure. Why not spend the money on renewable energy instead of the planned nuclear path?

Any thoughts on the matter? This is a big energy and carbon problem for the world, so how could the world address it without ticking off SA?
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Re: South Africa's Tricky Task - Better Living and Energy Wo

Unread postby kam3Oen » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 16:42:25

No doubt, South Africa will travel down the same road as Zimbabwe, once "land redistribution" kicks into high gear. Already, it has the highest murder and rape rate in the world, and 1/4 of the population has HIV. The white population will soon be fleeing en masse. The smart ones are already long gone.
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