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US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 11:17:59

Some more expected job cuts.. These jobs won't be cut for some time, but still...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ONDON (MarketWatch) -- Daimler's North American truck division will shed 3,500 jobs, close two plants and scrap its Sterling Trucks brand in response to depressed demand across the industry, the German automaker said Tuesday.


Where is the good news? Oh...thats right, the GOVERNMENT is pumping play money into banks...i forgot. That should create jobs.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 11:21:19

Ok... one more...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')oubini says U.S. banks may need up to $500 bln


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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 11:25:13

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')WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush on Tuesday announced a $250 billion plan by the government to directly buy shares in the nation's leading banks, saying the drastic steps were "not intended to take over the free market but to preserve it."
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We must nationalize the free market in order to preserve it?

Truly Orwellian times. I'm guessing this is double plus ungood.

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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 11:32:27

Poster over on Marketwatch said this in response to Obama's possible new Paulson replacement:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t doesn't matter if Obama choses Merlin the Magician as a financial advisor. Everyone seems to forget that the main issue were facing is WERE BROKE. Unless someone knows how to change us from an economy which is based on 70% consumption into an economy based on 70% manufacturing, and be able to do it overnight, things won't get better. WE DON'T PRODUCE ANYTHING EXCEPT DEBT. Think in terms of an analogy where America is a store which sells and trades with customers overseas. Our store (America) has been exporting financial products overseas in the form of AAA mortgage backed instruments. The problem is that our customers (Other Nations) don't like the product we sent, and they are feeling a little ripped off. China and other customers are now demanding a refund, but we don't have anything left in the store to give them in return since the only two products the American Store produces is Cooked Data and Bad Debt.


That my friends is well stated!
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 11:43:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hogan', 'T')hat's the whole problem. 70% of the US economy is consumer spending. The US produces practically nothing now, except debt. This is not sustainable, no matter how much taxpayer money they throw down the black hole.

yep, that's pretty much it. that's why i have maintained from the get go that none of this will do anything more than buy some time.

you can free up the credit markets all you want, but unless you relieve the consumer of the debt burden he carries, he won't be able to take on anymore credit and perform his function, i.e., consumption.

i give it till after christmas. once they realize that there was no christmas, in the sense of the annual shopping spree... lights out.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby ubercrap » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 13:19:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hogan', 'T')hat's the whole problem. 70% of the US economy is consumer spending. The US produces practically nothing now, except debt. This is not sustainable, no matter how much taxpayer money they throw down the black hole.


I am amazed how many times I have heard the 70% spouted in the news, etc.. as just another number, then on to the next story. No questioning of significance, the consequences, historical comparisons, etc.. I'm an economic idiot, but if even if consumer spending was 50% of the economy, it would signal to me something unhealthy is going on. The 70% signals a ludicrous unbalance. As so many who can look at things rationally have concluded, we have topped the hill, three of the wheels have come off of the car, and gravity is about to reassert itself.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:09:55

Fasten your seatbelts. Here we go. DJIA down 110.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:24:10

Down almost 200...
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:28:43

don't worry. the ppt will step in and infalte the DOW back up at some point (probably near the closing bell).
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby Spanktron9 » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:32:38

I'm just waiting for Paulson and Bernanke to come on TV and tell us before the opening bell what the market will gain on that day. It would be more honest.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:44:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Spanktron9', 'I')'m just waiting for Paulson and Bernanke to come on TV and tell us before the opening bell what the market will gain on that day. It would be more honest.


Certainly would make it easier to plan.

Down 250. I'm guessing this will not play well in Asia tonight.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby seahorse2 » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:52:24

I see a pattern. Everyday that Bush speaks, the market goes down.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 14:54:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'I') see a pattern. Everyday that Bush speaks, the market goes down.

Maybe it's that same phenomenon that every CEO who announces his company is well capitalized with ample liquidity ends up going bankrupt within three days.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 15:17:14

Down about 100...

These huge moves can't be good...

Crude took a nosedive today.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 15:53:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'D')own about 100...

These huge moves can't be good...

Well, 100 used to be "huge". Anymore, though, it's barely significant. A 100-point swing seems to be no biggie lately.

Now, it takes a 500-point dive or jump to get our attention.
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Re: US Markets Tuesday, 10-14-2008

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 16:01:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')ell, 100 used to be "huge". Anymore, though, it's barely significant. A 100-point swing seems to be no biggie lately.

Now, it takes a 500-point dive or jump to get our attention.


What was pretty impressive was that it ran up 400 points on the open. By the mid afternoon it had dropped 700 points and was down 300. Then it rallied and was only down 77 at the close. Quite the impressive spinning top.
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