[edpeak]

If you re-read, it's not quite an accurate characterization to say Greenpeace is "on board" which makes it sound like Greenpeace thinks its a great idea. They say,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he fact that the top experts in the field are saying it's necessary shows it's a sad state of affairs," said Steve Sawyer, a policy adviser for Greenpeace International.
"This idea should be examined and as a last resort it can buy us a few decades," Sawyer said.

[eclipse]

I agree edpeak with just about every point.

My concern as a peaknik is that we have enough energy to rebuild the current liquid-fuels system to a bright green electric transport renewable future.

Getting from here to there is going to be really hard. So I don't want to rule out coal-to-liquids if we HAVE to go that way, but hopefully massive efficiencies as a civilization will kick in with peak oil, and people will catch the bus, demand tramline, ride the bike, start to build New Urbanism, move closer to work etc etc which will add up to more oil saved and less CO2 emitted as a net figure, even with a little coal-to-liquids.

Yes this sulfur gun idea is a last resort only. It's just I think we are already there.

[edpeak]

But isn't saying that "We already are there" that
we are already at the last resort, isn't that saying
we not only have 0% faith in the political
system, but we also have 0% faith in the ability
of We The People to organize and get ahead of the
(mostly asleep) political system?

I might make the former 0% assessment in my
negative moments, but I am not ready to
make the latter 0% assessment (about the people) so
I'm not ready to throw the towel and give up and
say we're at the last resort Dr. Evil "solutions" stage...

[eclipse]

I'm thinking of the methane bomb under all that permafrost that's melting. If the earth is tipping over into feedback loops that are going to smash all human records in GH emissions.

[Tanada]

I wonder how the comitee reveiwing nominations will handle this pollitically? I havn't heard a thing about it since this announcement so maybe it went away?

[emersonbiggins]

I nominate Michael [s]Weiner[/s] Savage for the Nobel Peace Prize. He's twice as funny as Limbaugh, and doesn't have the added side effect of a prescription drug habit.

[lateStarter]

IMHO, they should make a statement by withholding the award this year. Too many fuckers out to make a dime, nobody really gives a shit about world peace unless they can get some coin out of the deal.

[lorenzo]

Recently, a group of 'energy experts' was surveyed by Reuters. Almost all of them ranked 'energy insecurity' as a bigger threat to peace and security than climate change.

Now given that Al and the IPCC received the Nobel Peace Prize, wouldn't it be logical to nominate the Peak Oil Movement too?

After all, the PO people are the ones who put the threat of energy insecurity on the agenda everywhere.

They also allow advocates of renewables to feel more comfortable and certain of their case.

Both these aspects are very welcome if we try to strive towards more peace/less war in the future.


What do you think? Peak Oilers winning the Nobel Peace Prize sound good? Here's what you have to do to make it happen:

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

I was thinking ASPO or Colin Campbell & Deffeyes as individuals.

[Niagara]

When Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, he called it "peace powder" believing it would make war obsolete.

Jeez Louise, what a visionary genius

[shakespear1]

Some of you are familiar with this man. I did a search on PO and his name has come up before.

However many do not and are not even aware how close we came to a Thermal Nuclear Disaster starring USA and Soviet Union in 1983.


Petrov

I revisited this story and wondered why this man was not EVENTUALLY given the Nobel Peace Prize. Looking at the list of the winners under this category it is amazing that he was passed up or not considered and others were.

I intend to contact the Swedish Academy and see what is the story here. I know that politics comes into play when deciding but in this case it would be a Global Travesty to pass this man up.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '2007

The prize goes to:

INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE (IPCC) and ALBERT ARNOLD ( AL) GORE JR. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.

2005

The prize was awarded jointly to:

INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY and MOHAMED ELBARADEI for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way.

2001

The prize was awarded to:

UNITED NATIONS, New York, NY, USA

KOFI ANNAN, United Nations Secretary General ')

Kofi !!!! He had blood on his hands for Rwanda and UN's inaction there. !!!!

[eastbay]

I agree, a proper honor for this rare hero is long overdue.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'S')ome of you are familiar with this man. I did a search on PO and his name has come up before.

However many do not and are not even aware how close we came to a Thermal Nuclear Disaster starring USA and Soviet Union in 1983.


Petrov

I revisited this story and wondered why this man was not EVENTUALLY given the Nobel Peace Prize. Looking at the list of the winners under this category it is amazing that he was passed up or not considered and others were.

I intend to contact the Swedish Academy and see what is the story here. I know that politics comes into play when deciding but in this case it would be a Global Travesty to pass this man up.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '2007

The prize goes to:

INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE (IPCC) and ALBERT ARNOLD ( AL) GORE JR. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.

2005

The prize was awarded jointly to:

INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY and MOHAMED ELBARADEI for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way.

2001

The prize was awarded to:

UNITED NATIONS, New York, NY, USA

KOFI ANNAN, United Nations Secretary General ')

Kofi !!!! He had blood on his hands for Rwanda and UN's inaction there. !!!!

[ReverseEngineer]

Paul Krugman, the Princeton Economist (note he is Princeton, NOT Yale) who twice weekly absolutely lambasts Bush and Republican and Capitalist thinking in the New York Times just won the Nobel Prize in Economics.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 4&refer=us

This is just too funny Now, the question would be does Obama latch himself on to Krugman, and will Krugman be our next Secretary of the Treasury? IF Krugman got the nod for this post, could this Nobel Laureate actually DO anything to save us from spinning out of control here?

Our dear departed friend Cash no doubt would have lambasted Krugman as being another Zionist, but it seems pretty clear he is not in the same Zionist camp as Bernanke, so how the heck do you sort out the Good Zionists from the Bad Ones? LOL. Well, Cash is no longer here to elucidate on this question, but maybe someone else can pick up the Banner?

Part of the Tradition of winning the Nobel Prize is the President invites you to Dinner at the White House. Will GB invite in Krugman? I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that dinner table. LOL.

Anyhow, I do see this one as pushing Paul Krugman up into the Limelight, and I'd be interested to hear speculation from the members here on how its going to play out.

Reverse Engineer

[Bas]

here's a column of his:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Great Illusion

So far, the international economic consequences of the war in the Caucasus have been fairly minor, despite Georgia’s role as a major corridor for oil shipments. But as I was reading the latest bad news, I found myself wondering whether this war is an omen — a sign that the second great age of globalization may share the fate of the first.

If you’re wondering what I’m talking about, here’s what you need to know: our grandfathers lived in a world of largely self-sufficient, inward-looking national economies — but our great-great grandfathers lived, as we do, in a world of large-scale international trade and investment, a world destroyed by nationalism.

Writing in 1919, the great British economist John Maynard Keynes described the world economy as it was on the eve of World War I. “The inhabitant of London could order by telephone, sipping his morning tea in bed, the various products of the whole earth ... he could at the same moment and by the same means adventure his wealth in the natural resources and new enterprises of any quarter of the world.”

And Keynes’s Londoner “regarded this state of affairs as normal, certain, and permanent, except in the direction of further improvement ... The projects and politics of militarism and imperialism, of racial and cultural rivalries, of monopolies, restrictions, and exclusion ... appeared to exercise almost no influence at all on the ordinary course of social and economic life, the internationalization of which was nearly complete in practice.”

But then came three decades of war, revolution, political instability, depression and more war. By the end of World War II, the world was fragmented economically as well as politically. And it took a couple of generations to put it back together.

So, can things fall apart again? Yes, they can.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'P')aul Krugman, the Princeton Economist (note he is Princeton, NOT Yale) who twice weekly absolutely lambasts Bush and Republican and Capitalist thinking in the New York Times just won the Nobel Prize in Economics.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 4&refer=us

This is just too funny Now, the question would be does Obama latch himself on to Krugman, and will Krugman be our next Secretary of the Treasury? IF Krugman got the nod for this post, could this Nobel Laureate actually DO anything to save us from spinning out of control here?

Our dear departed friend Cash no doubt would have lambasted Krugman as being another Zionist, but it seems pretty clear he is not in the same Zionist camp as Bernanke, so how the heck do you sort out the Good Zionists from the Bad Ones? LOL. Well, Cash is no longer here to elucidate on this question, but maybe someone else can pick up the Banner?

Part of the Tradition of winning the Nobel Prize is the President invites you to Dinner at the White House. Will GB invite in Krugman? I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that dinner table. LOL.

Anyhow, I do see this one as pushing Paul Krugman up into the Limelight, and I'd be interested to hear speculation from the members here on how its going to play out.

Reverse Engineer

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Wheres Cash taken himself to?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')Cash has gone into Lockdown Mode. Roccman also.

[mattduke]

And they gave the Peace Prize to Kissenger.

[evgeny]

I recall that at one time was a few Western specialists economists,
who won the Nobel Prize for mathematical proof of what happens
on the stock exchange crisis will never happen.
Nobel Prize - this is a travesty of social well-deserved award.