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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 15:22:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')The difference between me and Golem is I still have a grasp of reality, he lost hold long ago.


The difference between you and Golem is you're capable of having a conversation with another person, he was not, as far as I could tell. When someone asks you to clarify what you've said, I believe you attempt to do so. :)

Holding onto reality can for some of us be an effort. We might need to make a conscious decision to make that effort. So it's possibly largely up to you whether or not you retain your grasp on reality. For myself, I have found it healthier to retain as much grasp on reality as I can. I put a lot of effort into it, every day. But your experience may be different. Some people are more fortunate than others.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby Auntie_Cipation » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 16:25:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I') am not a big believer in coincidence either, thus the reason for the ?mark in the subject line of the thread.

I look for reasons and for connections, I don't think all life is random. If it were random, you wouldn't see the organization apparent in it.

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I do not think that my life was ruled by pure chance. There had to be some REASON behind it, and I ABSOLUTELY could not have lived as long as I have if there was not. I should have died on at least 3 occassions, but I did not. I cannot explain this, I always figured I just got "Lucky". I am no longer so sure about that.

There is reason behind this all, its just beyond my grasp at the moment. I hope that I can figure it all out before the Grim Reaper comes a-calling.

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I definitely believe that coincidences occur. However, I don't believe that means that EVERYTHING is "just" a coincidence.

I entirely agree about the patterns and organization found in nature (as well as in human constructs) -- anytime we look at something from a different scale than usual, the patterns become apparent. Just trying looking out the window of a flying airplane, or perusing topographical maps of mountains and valleys. Looking at things through microscopes, or over a compressed time scale, produces the same thing -- patterns we don't see at our normal scale.

I agree that, coincidences aside, there are connections between things. And that those connections have a reason -- whatever drives the connections in the first place.

What I don't agree with is the frequent assumption (and I'm not accusing RE of this, but I do see it often in people around me) that a "reason" must have portence and meaning to us, the humans, with the brains, trying to assign meaning to everything. As in, "why am I here", "is this what I was meant to do".

I think that, most often, the reasons behind things are simply the laws of nature, biology, psychology. They would likely not make sense to us, in the way we'd like them to, even if we always saw those reasons with crystal clear accuracy.

People seem to want the "reasons" to be ones that speak to their own specialness (again, not speaking to you, RE, but more thinking of folks I know personally -- especially, but not limited to, those with uber-religious inclinations).

For example, if we ask ourselves "what is the significance of the wild weather this year", I think first of all that we can't answer that question usefully until this year's weather is put in proper context -- which means an understanding not only of your region's climate history, but also of statistics -- can't tell you how many times someone has said some event is dramatically significant when it's actually a regular but infrequent event -- a 20-year storm, for example. Statistically, there is nothing special about a the occurrence of a 20-year storm that happens within its expected timeframe -- the thing that is significant TO US is that 20 years is a long time inbetween, and this time WE got to be here for it!

So, depending on the specifics, that storm either is or isn't meaningful in that way, depending on whether it's outside the range of natural variability. What it ISN'T, in my personal opinion, is a message to any individual telling them they are (or aren't) making the right decision in their life.

If someone doesn't want to live where it snows a lot, for example, then it makes sense for them to use that 3-foot dump of a snowstorm they just experienced as a decision point, for sure. But they shouldn't pretend that the "reason" for the storm was to deliver that message.

"Sometimes", as Freud said on some SNL skit of 25 years ago, "a banana, is just a banana."

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby topfuel » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 16:42:07

never in your days of wind is that your perception of wind has changed,weather has been regarded as useless small talk for
hundred's of years.Get your diary out and realize you are just
small talking and wind will and has been there always..
P.S. this in no way putting you down.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 21:59:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')The difference between me and Golem is I still have a grasp of reality, he lost hold long ago.


The difference between you and Golem is you're capable of having a conversation with another person, he was not, as far as I could tell. When someone asks you to clarify what you've said, I believe you attempt to do so. :)

Holding onto reality can for some of us be an effort. We might need to make a conscious decision to make that effort. So it's possibly largely up to you whether or not you retain your grasp on reality. For myself, I have found it healthier to retain as much grasp on reality as I can. I put a lot of effort into it, every day. But your experience may be different. Some people are more fortunate than others.


I do try to keep the prose grounded enough in concepts people understand to make it sensible, and I do try to answer questions in a way people can understand. I use metaphors often to do this.

When I think of the concept of reality, a phrase from my youth comes to mind, "Reality is for people who can't deal with Drugs". LOL. My perceptions of reality are different than most people, but that does not make them any less real. If I am a schizophrenic, I am a well functioning one to be sure, and its not really all that hard for me to maintain my grasp on the reality most people accept as the truth. The trick here is to be able to step outside that reality to examine what you see from another frame of reference. Golem's problem was he pretty much lost his ability to move from one frame of reference to another, he just got himself stuck in a very convoluted set of ideas and couldn't see things any other way than that. I'm sure his ideas made perfect sense to HIM, but they didn't make a whole lot of sense to anyone else reading the material.

What you will find with my stuff is that I jump back and forth from factual analysis of the observable events we are witnessing to an analysis on a hypothetical spiritual plane we cannot see, smell, hear, feel or touch. Justifying that type of argument is pretty hard of course ;-)

Put it this way. Its not what you SEE that is Reality, its what you DON'T SEE. You can only figure out what you don't see by observing the effects on what you do see. Its there alright, but its darn hard to put a finger on it. My job as I see it is to nail it down and explain it as best I can to those who don't think as I do. I think very fast, even faster than I write, I've been this way since I was a boy. Its a gift and its a curse all at the same time. I live with it. It hasn't put me in the Looney Bin yet, and I don't think it ever will. I'm sane enough to understand my own insanity :-)

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 22:29:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '[')
What I don't agree with is the frequent assumption (and I'm not accusing RE of this, but I do see it often in people around me) that a "reason" must have portence and meaning to us, the humans, with the brains, trying to assign meaning to everything. As in, "why am I here", "is this what I was meant to do".


You know, up unitl a few months ago, I generally accepted randomness as the driving force behind most events, be they car crashes or economic crashes. What drove me off this perception of reality was a non-stop series of events which I found to be completely predictable in their nature, while others seemed to be confused about why they were happening. Certainly the Peak Oil concept provides a focal point for many on the board here, and it by itself does explain a lot, but it doesn't necessarily explain all that well the particular way the economic system is being dragged down.

One of the biggest reasons I forswore off Religion in my youth were the descriptions of Miracles, and of Soothsayers who could read portents of things to come by examining the entrails of animals, stuff like that. Then oh so weirdly and gradually, absolutely bizarre coincidences started occuring in my life at a very rapid pace. I won't count them all up for you, but here is one that happenned to me just about a week or so ago. I was thinking in my head about the nature of the Seven Day week, and the Seven year droughts and the fact that Seven is considered a Lucky Number, and the fact that if you add up the opposing faces of a 6 faced Cube, they all add up to Seven. A fairly bizarre set of coincidences in itself, so I figure there has to be some kind of connection with all that, though maybe its just random? Hard to say with just this evidence to observe.

OK, so while I am thinking about this I am also filling vacuum bags with rice and legumes, thousands of grains of rice, thousands of little beans, trying to be careful not to spill any while I repackage and rebag the stuff to vacuum seal it. Do a pretty good job with this, repackaging about 20 or 30 pounds of the stuff. Tae the bags off the countertop and there was a very small amount of spillage. Exactly 6 grains of Rice and 1 Bean.

I'm sorry, I just have a lot of trouble accepting that this just randomly occurred. Its just too WEIRD. At this point, I have to open up my thinking process to try to account for things like this, especially since this is not the ONLY weird coincidence that happenned to me lately. I'm not going to reject this stuff out of hand as pure coincidence. I can see it, this is evidence I can look at in the real world. Maybe it means nothing. Maybe it means EVERYTHING.

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby Auntie_Cipation » Sun 12 Oct 2008, 22:43:35

My interpretation of the world is more based on my assumption (validated regularly by my personal experiences) that there are usually more factors at play than we are thinking about at any given moment.

For example, suppose you made a list of all the aspects of life that are associated with the number 1. Then you made another list of all the aspects that have to do with the number 2. Then for 3, etc. Let's say you do this up to number ten or fifteen, because beyond that there just aren't enough known things to make much of a list.

Then you go back to the sheet you made for the number seven, and look it over. There's going to be a dozen, or perhaps two dozen, or who knows, maybe a hundred items on that list, just like there are for all the other numbers.

So going all agog over the uncanniness of all those things having to do with number 7 just doesn't seem spooky to me, it just seems like you're only looking at 7s, so of course you only see 7s, but if you were to decide to look at 8s, you'd find a bunch of those as well.

As for the rice/beans spillage, if you'd been researching the number 492 and then discovered you'd spilled exactly 492 grains, well THEN I'd probably find that a bit hard to dismiss. But 7? No, that doesn't seem far-fetched as a coincidence at all, to me.

In fact, if you look really hard, you'll probably find that there was another grain of rice hidden in the crack of the counter kickplate -- wouldn't that be a relief? :P
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 00:13:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', 'I')n fact, if you look really hard, you'll probably find that there was another grain of rice hidden in the crack of the counter kickplate -- wouldn't that be a relief? :P


Trust me, I DID look really hard for another grain of rice. I got down on my hands and knees and scoured the kitchen floor. LOL.

Anyhow, no there really are not a zillion dfferent numbers that have significance you can see evident in the real world, actually its only a very few. I've always been facinated by trancendental numbers like Pi or e, which fall naturally out of either pure mathematics or physical reality. In terms of spatial geometry, regular polyhedra are one of my favorites, there are only 5 of them. Tetrahedrons, Cubes, Octahedrons, Dodecahedrons and Icosahedrons. Respectively, 4 faces, 6 faces, 8 faces, 12 faces and 20 faces. No other regular polyhedra are possible at all. This out of infinite possibilities with infinite numbers available to work with in the real world. So actually, the number of significant numbers is mighty small compared to the total of numbers available to work with.

Have you ever looked at the pictures which come from the Mandelbrot Set? About all life forms in their physical attributes come out of variations on this, which come out of pure chaos. Order from chaos, which on a thermodynamic level seems impossible. Anyhow, using just very simple equations and iterating them, you grow out of this extremely regular structures all the time. Not precisely identical all the time, anymore than 2 snowflakes are exactly alike, but they all have SIX sides, don't they? You ALSO have 6 projections off your central core, 2 arms, 2 legs, head and tail, though the tail is vestigial in humans. So this is a coincidence? When I also know playing with marbles as a boy I could only fit 6 marbles arround a central marble? I figured that one out when I was 4 years old. I'm sorry, these phenomena are related, its not coincidence, and the numbers speak for themselves.

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 01:06:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')The difference between me and Golem is I still have a grasp of reality, he lost hold long ago. I'm barely hanging on by a thread these days though. LOL.


Get a girlfriend. It will help keep you focused on the here and now.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 01:22:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')When I also know playing with marbles as a boy I could only fit 6 marbles arround a central marble? I figured that one out when I was 4 years old. I'm sorry, these phenomena are related, its not coincidence, and the numbers speak for themselves.


Snowflakes are crystal structures. The shape of crystals has to do with the lattice structure of atoms based on their atomic number.

In your marble example, what you're really doing is modeling carbon The reason life is carbon-based is that carbon is like the swiss army knife in the periodic table. Just carbon bonding with itself can result in all sorts of cool shapes. It also helps that carbon is still fairly low on the periodic table so there has been a tremendous amount of it generated by the fusion in stars. So on that basis, the reason life evolved the way it did, using the elements it does, is NOT purely coincidental. It takes advantage of the way certain elements naturally bind and cluster into more complicated molecular structures. There is nothing mystical about it. It's very "rule" based.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 01:25:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')
Get a girlfriend. It will help keep you focused on the here and now.


Are you Volunteering? LOL.

Mos, no woman could stand to live with me, nor could I stand to live with any woman. I walked down that road a few times, it did not work for me. At this point in my life, no woman I would be interested in would be interested in me. I'm a Solitary Man. From Neil Diamond:

"Melinda was mine
til the time
That I found her
Holding jim
Loving him

Then sue came along
Loved me strong
Thats what I thought
Me and sue
But that died too

Dont know that I will
But until I can find me
A girl wholl stay
And wont play games behind me
Ill be what I am
A solitary man
Solitary man

Ive had it to here
Bein where
Loves a small world
Part-time thing
Paper ring

I know its been done
Having one
Girl wholl love me
Right or wrong
Weak or strong

Dont know that I will
But until I can find me
The girl wholl stay
And wont play games behind me
Ill be what I am
A solitary man"

My ex-wife's name was Sue BTW.

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 01:37:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')It also helps that carbon is still fairly low on the periodic table so there has been a tremendous amount of it generated by the fusion in stars. So on that basis, the reason life evolved the way it did, using the elements it does, is NOT purely coincidental. It takes advantage of the way certain elements naturally bind and cluster into more complicated molecular structures. There is nothing mystical about it. It's very "rule" based.


Absolutely, there are Rules here which are consistent thru all observable nature. You see them repeated all the time, even a child playing with marbles can see them.

So Mos, who made the Rules? Why ARE there rules like this? If you observe the rules, if you observe the OUTCOME of the rules, it becomes quite possible to retrace the steps, right back to the Zero Point, Creation or the Big Bang, however you want to call that one.

What came BEFORE that, what engendered it? Its of course unknowable in the sense you cannot observe it from this reference point. However, if you let yourself rise above the Plane of Flatland, you can start to see it.

See You on the Other Side.

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 02:01:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')So Mos, who made the Rules?


I don't think the universe "needs" a maker. I think humans are the ones who need to identify a maker.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')Why ARE there rules like this?


The universe needs no "why", only "how". It's humans that need why. Well, maybe if you want to get philosophical, you could say life's purpose is for the universe to "figure itself out" like in this monologue from Babylon 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G01oUC2_61c

There will always be things we don't know. But the fact that we were so quick to come up with supernatural explanations for the simplest things that we have explained through science tells me that even though it gets harder and harder to explain the remaining stuff, that the universe, all of it, is ultimately rational and knowable, just like we know how to calculate pi, we just don't have enough time or space to hold all the digits.

I just think that any time that we decide to throw in the towel and ascribe aspects of the universe to a god, that we are taking an intellectual short-cut.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')However, if you let yourself rise above the Plane of Flatland, you can start to see it.


It's called your imagination.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 02:11:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
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I don't think the universe "needs" a maker. I think humans are the ones who need to identify a maker.


It doesn't need a Rule Giver? A bunch of wholly reproducible rules easily elucidated simply spontaneously appear out of NOTHING, with no direction at all?

This seems to me to be Magical Thinking in its finest form. You postulate it all comes from nothing with no direction, yet at the same time acknowledge that there are rules that need to be obeyed and acknowledged? You are getting highly mystical with this sort of thinking and analysis.

Justify how you can come up with such an intricate set of rules with no direction at all.? You gonna put a bunch of monkeys in front of typewriters, give them all eternity and figure eventually they will type out the complete works of Shakespeare? Sorry, no I don't believe that. There is an underlying organization we cannot grasp, but its defintely out there.

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 08:48:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ')If I am a schizophrenic, I am a well functioning one to be sure,


Ok, I guess I'm not sure if you think you are schizophrenic or not. The symptoms aren't that obscure.

Maybe you enjoy playing the "schizophrenic." I've met a lot of folks online who think it's a hoot to be "crazy." For many people such as members of my family, mental illness isn't fun, isn't a joke, isn't something they wonder about if they have it or not. They know because it has ruined their lives. Good on you if you're actually mentally ill and are fine with it. Good luck to you.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 08:58:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', ' ')If I am a schizophrenic, I am a well functioning one to be sure,


Ok, I guess I'm not sure if you think you are schizophrenic or not. The symptoms aren't that obscure.

Maybe you enjoy playing the "schizophrenic."


Keeping you unsure is part of the process here Ludi. :-) However, you should be able to conclude that even if I am schizo, I can write very cogent arguments despite that. LOL.

Its part of what I do to mess around with your thinking process in this way. You can mess with me back, feel free, be my guest. I'm very good at the game though, so its kind of counterproductive to play it with me, you cannot win. Much better to keep it on the plane of existence most are comfortable with and undersand, eh? In other words, stick to the topic, and don't try to psychoanalyze my motives. I'll just confuse the heck out of you and everyone else if you try that tactic.

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 09:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')Its part of what I do to mess around with your thinking process in this way.


No, RE, I'll just ignore you. I find that kind of gameplaying nonsense to be tedious in the extreme.

Have fun storming the castle! :)
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 09:49:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')Its part of what I do to mess around with your thinking process in this way.


No, RE, I'll just ignore you. I find that kind of gameplaying nonsense to be tedious in the extreme.

Have fun storming the castle! :)


As I find your persistent naysaying to be quite tedious also. Being Ignored by you is a Blessing. It gets tiresome responding to you anyhow. LOL.

Feel free however at any time to drop in with another naysaying post. Its your field of expertiese, and I respect somebody who does something very well, even if they are lacking in creativity :-)

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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 10:04:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')It doesn't need a Rule Giver?


It needs rules. It doesn't need a giver.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')This seems to me to be Magical Thinking in its finest form. You postulate it all comes from nothing with no direction, yet at the same time acknowledge that there are rules that need to be obeyed and acknowledged? You are getting highly mystical with this sort of thinking and analysis.


God implies consciousness. Anthropomorphizing. If there is a god then it is some kind of super-strings interference pattern outside of the universe that causes weird bubbles of which our universe is one. I don't think it is any more of a consciousness than a wave lapping up at a beach.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')There is an underlying organization we cannot grasp, but its defintely out there.


That's what drives a lot of scientists to do things like study snowflakes their entire life. If you approach it from a scientific angle it is far more rewarding than the one-stop-shop of God. Once you start believing, then there is no use for further research. What's the point? God answers all your curiosity. If that mindset were dominant, then you wouldn't be able to type on a computer over the internet today.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby Auntie_Cipation » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 12:04:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')t doesn't need a Rule Giver? A bunch of wholly reproducible rules easily elucidated simply spontaneously appear out of NOTHING, with no direction at all?


Of course rules have a source. But "giver" implies sentience and that the rules were created "for a reason". Neither of those is necessary in order for there to be rules.

Laws of Nature
Laws of Physics
Laws of Thermodynamics
etc
etc

Yes, they exist, yes, they are rules, yes, they have a source from whence they came. But they weren't "created" with any intentionality, least-of-all in order to deliver any messages to us humans.

The lack of a sentient, intentional Giver of the rules in no way suggests that the rules just randomly "sprang from nowhere". Those are not the only two choices.

Now, obviously, if you are a religious person, you'd have a different interpretation of these things. But somehow I don't think that's what you're aiming at, because religions offer their believers just what you seem to be lacking and looking for: an EXPLANATION for why/how all these things have come to be.

I agree that there is much in the world that is awe-inspiring and mind-boggling. But the fact that the laws of physics, thermodynamics and nature have produced things that have patterns that aren't immediately understood by us, just doesn't strike me as spooky or carrying any hidden messages.
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Re: Coincidence?

Unread postby happychicken » Mon 13 Oct 2008, 12:35:39

RE - I've had plenty of weird experiences and coincidences over the past few years. For me personally I feel that things in my life have definitely happened for a reason.

I believe in god. My god is a Gaia-kind of god. I believe that everyone's life has a purpose. Some don't feel it and others do. Maybe those that feel it are just more tuned-in.

I like Jung's ideas of synchronicity and collective consciousness. The world is becoming more and more connected. Technology such as mobiles and the internet allows people to share their thoughts instantly with many others all round the world. It may not be quite "telepathy" but it's pretty close! Anyone else like Heroes by the way? I love it.

I don't know what is going to happen in the future but there are plenty of things pointing to the fact that the next few years are going to be interesting if nothing else.

We've got: -

economic meltdown
peak oil
global warming
disappearing bees
too many humans
scarce resources - food, metals, minerals.

Have I missed anything out?

If more people are becoming "mentally ill", it makes me wonder what IS mental illness?

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