[Roccland]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')
It's either socialism (with a jack boot if needs be) or barbarism! There's no in between.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

[Ludi]

In my locale, the phone service and electric service are socialist - that is, run by user-owned cooperatives. So far, I don't see any "politbureau" endangering us here. These cooperatives are decades old.

And this is in Texas.

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')n my locale, the phone service and electric service are socialist - that is, run by user-owned cooperatives. So far, I don't see any "politbureau" endangering us here. These cooperatives are decades old.

And this is in Texas.

[Quinny]

It's selfishness and refusal to co-operate that causes the forceful authoritarian socialism.

eg. I've got a lot more land than I need, and I'm not going to share with anyone. Oh right then we'll just have to take it into common ownership then.

If people co-operate it doesn't have to be jack booted.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

[Hermes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hese cooperatives are decades old.

And this is in Texas.

[seldom_seen]

Isaac Asimov wrote: "Democracy cannot survive overpopulation."

Whatever we're going to get and whatever we decide to call it, it's going to suck. There's no ism or schism that can paint a happy face on it.