[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('species8742', 't')here is no way we can even come close to replaceing our oil needs with electiricity, and as electricity is used, prices increase. If one out of twelve families buy an electric car, we will DOUBLE our electric consumption and the grid cant supply our needs.

[nocar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ukes supply 70% of the power in France, where electric light rail and high speed electric intercity trains create the most sophisticated transportation grid in the world. We could do that too.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', '
')Yes, but France does not run cars on electric power.

[frankthetank]

Is 10% ethanol going to be bumped up? I use to be able to buy gasoline without ethanol, and now you can't' find it anywhere. Is E20 the next step? Sometimes i wonder even right now, if the gas i'm putting in is even E10 (wouldn't doubt if they "water" it down with ethanol to make up for gasoline shortages).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')DOE reports no difference between ethanol and gasoline

Washington, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has released preliminary results from a test program initiated in August 2007 to assess the potential effects of higher intermediate ethanol blends on conventional vehicles and other engines that rely on gasoline. The program focuses specifically on E15 and E20 (gasoline blended with 15 and 20 per cent ethanol, respectively) on emissions, catalyst and engine durability, driveability and operability.

The tests were performed on 13 popular late-model vehicles and 28 small non-road engines, including lawn equipment and generators.

On vehicles tested with E15 and E20 against regular gasoline, the researchers found that tailpipe emissions were similar, and under normal operations, catalyst temperatures in the cars were largely unchanged. When tested under full-throttle conditions, about half the cars exhibited slightly increased catalyst temperatures with the enthanol blends. Overall, based on informal observations during testing, driveability was unchanged.

When the small non-road engines were tested with E15 and E20 compared with traditional gasoline, the researchers found that the regulated emissions remained largely unchanged, but engine and exhaust temperatures increased as ethanol content increased. Engine performance was inconsistent, even with traditional gasoline, and commercial engines exhibited no particular sensitivity to ethanol from a durability perspective. The effect of E15 and E20 on the durability of smaller, less expensive residential engines such as weed trimmers was not clear, given that a number of these engines failed regardless of fuel type.

[nocar]

It is entirely possible to have a reasonable amount of personal mobility by a combination of bicycles and electric trains, although of course in many parts of the world this requires reforms of land use patterns, as well as some personal adjustment (such as moving closer to work, or changing jobs). Still, this is a much more sustainable strategy than replacing ICE cars with electric cars. Remember, making cars takes energy too.

Transporting food across continents can also be reduced.
New buildings can be put up using local materials.

There are many ways of reducing oil use for transport simply by reducing transport.

The link to 'betterplace' seems just to be the usual marketing smokescreens from car shows.

nocar

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', '
')There are many ways of reducing oil use for transport simply by reducing transport.

[nocar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m just saying the vast majority will hold onto their cars until the last possible moment when the economics can no longer be justified. They will then move down the chain of alternatives gradually. EV/plugins will be more attractive to a lot of people than bikes or trains.