[BabyPeanut]

well?

[Ludi]

Conservation alone, without other, fundamental societal changes, will only make the problem worse.

[BabyPeanut]

Conservation changes one factor and that is time. What will happen in that time is a question. If it's worth it to conserve is a question.

[Wildwell]

Conservation just gives you time to innovate that's all. But change has to come whether anybody likes it or not. The results of that change and the processes and reactions we can only guess at.

[chargrove]

With as tight as things are right now, conservation has a very real possibility of impacting the economy hard enough to set things off just as fast as the resource issue could.

Think about a corporation where workers are already working incredible amounts of (often unpaid) overtime to get things done and keep the company afloat. Now what happens if a non-trivial number of these employees is slowed down in their commutes by being forced to use public transit? PT is a good thing ecologically, but it's hard to deny that it has an economic impact when people are already short enough on time as it is. If the time isn't taken out of work time, then it's taken out of (already minimal) personal time, impacting the workers' psychological health and probably their productivity at the workplace.

Not only is our economy at the end of its rope, but it's also wholly dependent on everything being able to be done now Now NOW. Any delays in this, as generally implied by conservation measures, may have a significant impact.

From my seat, we're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

[oowolf]

Real conservation we'll only have when we've no choice: rationing and high prices. Current "conservation" efforts are the equivalent of installing water-restricting shower nozzles on the Titanic.

[khebab]

It's really a difficult question. I believe (or hope) conservation will give us the time we need to soften the landing a bit. Most of our oil consumption comes from personal transportation and most of it is non life threatening so we should be able to change our consumption pattern. What worries me the most is the "dont'worry, be happy" attitute that most politicians and economists have. We need political courage in order to prepare and educate the population before it is too late.

[Liamj]

I voted 'd', but wasn't at all pleased when saw everyone else had too! Wheres a guy got to go to get some optimism around here??!?!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'R')eal conservation we'll only have when we've no choice: rationing and high prices. Current "conservation" efforts are the equivalent of installing water-restricting shower nozzles on the Titanic.

[killJOY]

Conservation as an ameliorative measure died in 1980 with the election of Reagan. It (conservation) was disinterred and had a stake driven through its heart in 1984 when said robot was reelected.

Conservation will do only one thing: save my own ass.

It's called "living without."

The expression is "too little too late."

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chargrove', 'W')ith as tight as things are right now, conservation has a very real possibility of impacting the economy hard enough to set things off just as fast as the resource issue could.

Think about a corporation where workers are already working incredible amounts of (often unpaid) overtime to get things done and keep the company afloat. Now what happens if a non-trivial number of these employees is slowed down in their commutes by being forced to use public transit? PT is a good thing ecologically, but it's hard to deny that it has an economic impact when people are already short enough on time as it is. If the time isn't taken out of work time, then it's taken out of (already minimal) personal time, impacting the workers' psychological health and probably their productivity at the workplace.

Not only is our economy at the end of its rope, but it's also wholly dependent on everything being able to be done now Now NOW. Any delays in this, as generally implied by conservation measures, may have a significant impact.

From my seat, we're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

[Ludi]

Personally, I'd like to see a gradual transition away from our "productive" way of life. People work too hard for too little.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')You Americans"

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')ersonally, I'd like to see a gradual transition away from our "productive" way of life. People work too hard for too little.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')You Americans"

[chris-h]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'R')eal conservation we'll only have when we've no choice: rationing and high prices. Current "conservation" efforts are the equivalent of installing water-restricting shower nozzles on the Titanic.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')roductivity can mean more time at home or more pay.