[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', 'T')he current EU will prove to be like the Articles of Confederation - too weak and decentralized to be effective - and so it will reincarnate in a much strengthened form.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '
')My God, the Germans must be simply chomping at the bit to invade somebody. This will be the perfect cover.

Remilitarization is imminent.

Aggression is imminent.

These people can't even go to a soccer match without trying to kill each other.

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'P')ick your target, shoot accurately. Spraying bullets all over the place is just a waste of good ammo.

Reverse Engineer

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I')t is time to stop that nonsense. I expect EU to dissipate within several years or a decade at most.
That does not imply any imminent wars.
Too many nations in Europe already have nukes (or can make them at short notice).

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '[')img]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/The_Wizard_of_Covington/arnold20schwarzenegger20nazi.jpg[/img]

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '
')
Oh I don't think the Germans have anything to do with the current mess we're all in. If anything, they've been a role model among juvenille delinquents.

But that doesn't have anything to do with what comes next.

The Germans are all closet Nazis just waiting to come busting out and give world domination another shot. All they need is the right distraction.

They're going to get it.

Heil!!!!!

[Daniel_Plainview]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '
')

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', '
')Here's the thing, I've read quite a few German newspapers and in none of them was anything even remotely said or quoted to that extend.

[Bas]

eventhough it's easier and faster for European nations to act alone right now, as there are no clear rules/institutions to deal with situations like this at the current time, it will probably end up with more EU legislation rather than less. Death throws? not in the least.

[oswald622]

this is vaguely relevant: i had a dream the other week. i was at a soccer match and the austrians were there. a big crowd of them rose up and got angry and excited, and started shouting, 'heil hitler!' it was kind of freaky.

didn't the far right win some elections there just recently?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I')t is time to stop that nonsense. I expect EU to dissipate within several years or a decade at most.
That does not imply any imminent wars.
Too many nations in Europe already have nukes (or can make them at short notice).

[Cashmere]

Russians.

I've got a very simple rule about them - - -

Don't f-ck with them, on any level, at any time.

Russians are tough as nails and almost as sympathetic.

Russians have hardscrabble genes, man, do not screw with them.

[virgincrude]

What a shame the title of this thread has no bearing on the contents ... I was looking forward to some insight into the iminent death of the EU.

However, since the author Cash is merely an average American: clueless as to any nationality outside his own frontier, we've ended up with a useless exchange relating to events in Europe more than 70 years ago. Yawn.

The financial chaos exposed in the US is fast becoming the excuse for EU powers-that-be and powers-that-wanna-be to bring in strict pan-european banking legislation. It could also provide the excuse to re-boot the unpopular idea of a European Government complete with a Federal Reserve style central banking organism which would govern the whole of european trade.

I am delighted the burocrats in Brussels are running around like chickens with no heads. As Spain's Interior Minister put it this morning: "there has never been a crisis quite like this one before, and everybody is improvising." There's no script, so Sarkozy jumps in to play his favourite role of attention grabber, holds this pompous meeting of Europe's most important members i.e France, UK and Germany and they come out of there having agreed to do nothing.

Less than 24 hours later, Merkel changes her mind and does something they had agreed NOT to do: guarrantee German citizen's savings. Sarkozy gets a custard pie in the face. What a waste of EU tax payer's money! All those big wigs flying in and out of the Elysee, with their body guards, secretaries, pen holders, all those bottles of Evian, Chateau Laffitte and what have you, and just for a photo-op to tell everybody: don't worry, we'll think of something!!

But the fact that every nation is looking to save itself regardless of pan-european 'agreements' statements' or treaties, is actually going to work in favour of heavier burocracy and more control, and a European 'reunification' adding up to more government intervention, and the de-facto establishment of a European Government, something no citizen of France, UK, Germany, or Ireland to name a few, actually want.

EU Death Throes begin in Earnest ....and you think Germany is a threat? Ignorance doesn't BEGIN to describe what you suffer from Cashmere.

[oswald622]

austria's ATX fund, incidentally, is getting killed today. down 6% already...

[Nickel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', 'I')t'll be interesting to watch, after Irleland, Greece and Germany Austria and and France are poised to offer their own protection in the short order and the opposition in the HoC is already trying to pressure the Government in the UK to do the same thing, apparently Brown is a bit irritated as he was under the impression that Germany wouldn't be doing this.

[Nickel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'A')Ahaahahahaaahahahaha!

Mien Fuhrer! We are ze shinging Light Mein Fuhrer!! Mein Fuhrer, we are ze Light!

Thanks for the laugh Mr. Shining Light.

[Nickel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'T')he Germans are landlocked

[Nickel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', 'F')or all the back and forth, the EU is essentially a France / Germany project and if the current form of the EU falls apart my guess is that we will see a new, smaller group form centered around France and Germany

[Nickel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', 'd')idn't the far right win some elections there just recently?

[SOS]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', ' ')As Spain's Interior Minister put it this morning: "there has never been a crisis quite like this one before, and everybody is improvising."