[Roccland]

A man who was despondent over financial woes shot and killed his wife, three sons and mother-in-law before turning the gun on himself, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

Hmmmm...

Someone once said humans need to be ruled.

[idiom]

Makes you appreciate people who are considerate enough to leap off buildings or walk in front of trains.

[Magus]

Selfish bastard killed in the wrong order...he should of shot HIMSELF first, and then anyone else.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', 'S')elfish bastard killed in the wrong order...he should of shot HIMSELF first, and then anyone else.

[Magus]

Perhaps he thought that in his mind, but I'm pretty sure that his family still wanted to live.

Hell, if people can survive out in the jungle or in the slums of Mumbai, then these folks can survive being knocked down a peg or two. It's this thinking that there's no point in going on that is truly pathetic.

[Blueberry]

People who commit these acts are more likely to have

1. control
2. anger
3. mental health
4. past abuse
5. neurological

issues than the general population.

This financial situation may have been a triggering event, but the seeds of this violent act were sewn long ago.

http://www.suicidology.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=6
see the sos handbook.

[ReverseEngineer]

Same choice people have always had when being conquered and are forced to choose between a life of Slavery for their loved ones or to send everyone off to the Great Beyond.

Perhaps this guy was having dreams at night haunting him of his children starving and Zombies coming to eat them alive? You know, not everyone can handle such thoughts in a rational manner.

About 6 months ago a Japanese guy drove into a crowded shopping district mowing down people with his car, then jumped out with a butcher knife and started stabbing more of them. No handguns allowed in Japan of course. Screaming at the time "The End is Near". Obviously a full scale Doomer.

I suspect there will be more of such incidents in the days,weeks and months ahead. This won't be pretty.

Reverse Engineer

[hubbertspeak7777777]

He probably realized it was all down hill from here.

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')I suspect there will be more of such incidents in the days,weeks and months ahead. This won't be pretty.

Reverse Engineer

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'S')ame choice people have always had when being conquered and are forced to choose between a life of Slavery for their loved ones or to send everyone off to the Great Beyond.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'I')ndeed. The more honorable one as well in my estimation, tho' perhaps a bit premature. Far better to give them a quick and merciful end than to leave them to privation, the sport of marauders or the brutality of fascist 'law' enforcement...

[Ayame]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Better to struggle, fight, survive, and outlive or die trying; than to surrender meekly and opt out. People have survived far worse than what is coming in our lifetimes; and have had lives, and loves, and families and even joy during such times.

Never surrender.
Survival is not the most important thing... it is the ONLY thing.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')here is nothing honorable about suicide.
Ever.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')here is nothing honorable about suicide.
Ever.

Better to struggle, fight, survive, and outlive or die trying; than to surrender meekly and opt out.

[Blueberry]

When further researched, it becomes apparent that those who die by suicide are making less of of a "choice" than one might think.]

The mythology of our times is that it is a self-directed, rational act commited by one who had taken his power and made a choice. But, upon further investigation, one finds almost the opposite is true.

Because factors that are out of the realm of rational thought play so heavily into this phenomena, it can safely be said that it is not the culmination of reasoning by a a thinking mind, but an impulsive, emotional, and ultimately irrational act.

As ones mood becomes lower, or higher, thinking becomes so twisted, so distorted, that the only choice left to that person appears to be suicide.

We, as rational, or irrational people, try to pin down "reasons" or ethics onto something that is beyond thoughts, reasons or ethics. It's simply the end result of a road that is the same no matter the "triggering" event.

Most of those who go down the path of suicide travel the same road, the same decline, the same narrowing to the ultimate conclusion.

We like the idea of being able to choose life or death, but it is not a light switch, more like, as I said, a road. A road, I believe, that starts in a place -- childhood, mental illness, neurological damage, or trauma -- coinciding with certain temperment issues such as control and anger.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blueberry', 'W')hen further researched, it becomes apparent that those who die by suicide are making less of of a "choice" than one might think.]

The mythology of our times is that it is a self-directed, rational act commited by one who had taken his power and made a choice. But, upon further investigation, one finds almost the opposite is true.

Because factors that are out of the realm of rational thought play so heavily into this phenomena, it can safely be said that it is not the culmination of reasoning by a a thinking mind, but an impulsive, emotional, and ultimately irrational act.

As ones mood becomes lower, or higher, thinking becomes so twisted, so distorted, that the only choice left to that person appears to be suicide.

We, as rational, or irrational people, try to pin down "reasons" or ethics onto something that is beyond thoughts, reasons or ethics. It's simply the end result of a road that is the same no matter the "triggering" event.

Most of those who go down the path of suicide travel the same road, the same decline, the same narrowing to the ultimate conclusion.

We like the idea of being able to choose life or death, but it is not a light switch, more like, as I said, a road. A road, I believe, that starts in a place -- childhood, mental illness, neurological damage, or trauma -- coinciding with certain temperment issues such as control and anger.

[Blueberry]

That is what I'm saying.

If our internal mythology is telling us that it is true that there is no hope, we can look around and see if we are on "the road".

It is less of a choice, and more like a person believing they are in a burning building and jumping out the window.

The accent is on belief.

In this person's mind, because their thoughts have become so distorted and twisted by low or high mood, abuse, trauma, mental illness, neurological issues or all of the above, death is is seen as inevitable either way. Their controlling and angry temperment pushes them toward suicide.

This is almost completely an internal process.

We, on the outside, look for clues on the outside. What "pushed" this person to this "choice"?

It's a rational attempt to define a complex interplay of factors that many people who have died by suicide have in common, ie they've travelled the same road to the same place.

edit: for clarity, spelling

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blueberry', 'T')hat is what I'm saying.

If our internal mythology is telling us that it is true that there is no hope, we can look around and see if we are on "the road".

It is less of a choice, and more like a person believing they are in a burning building and jumping out the window.

The accent is on belief.

[Blueberry]

I agree that we will see more suicides, but those who die by suicide will be the ones who were aleady vulneralbe due to the factors I laid out earlier.

The facts remain true -- there are those, despite extremely negative circumstances who will not die by suicide. Their hope is bouyed by relationships with other people, an internal landscape not ravaged by abuse, mental illness, or trauma. Their temperments are not angry or controlling.

They make it through things like concentration camps, darfur, and the local mall without even considering it.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ever surrender.
Survival is not the most important thing... it is the ONLY thing.