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Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby jasonraymondson » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 08:19:21

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We really are in trouble, it is looking we can no longer continue the war; so new propaganda, talking about peace in the middle east is now being disseminated.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby mos6507 » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 13:42:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'W')e really are in trouble, it is looking we can no longer continue the war; so new propaganda, talking about peace in the middle east is now being disseminated.

Are you ever able to take a news report at face value without manufacturing a conspiracy around it?
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby jasonraymondson » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 14:21:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'W')e really are in trouble, it is looking we can no longer continue the war; so new propaganda, talking about peace in the middle east is now being disseminated.
Are you ever able to take a news report at face value without manufacturing a conspiracy around it? See photo Mos' post

uhm, no.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby jbrovont » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 14:24:40

Except it's never been a secret we couldn't afford the war. We don't make anything here, so the whole thing was paid for with loans. No more loans, no more war.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'W')e really are in trouble, it is looking we can no longer continue the war; so new propaganda, talking about peace in the middle east is now being disseminated.
Are you ever able to take a news report at face value without manufacturing a conspiracy around it? See photo Mos' post
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 14:43:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'E')xcept it's never been a secret we couldn't afford the war. We don't make anything here, so the whole thing was paid for with loans. No more loans, no more war.

Good point. Maybe Obama will stop asking for any more more money for the war once he takes office, so Nancy Pelosi and the dems in Congress will feel they have enough political cover so their seats are safe and they will finally be brave enough to stop voting more money for the war.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby jbrovont » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 14:48:38

Maybe - but imo their seats became forfeit when they voted this $700 bailout in! [smilie=angryfire.gif]
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'E')xcept it's never been a secret we couldn't afford the war. We don't make anything here, so the whole thing was paid for with loans. No more loans, no more war.
Good point. Maybe Obama will stop asking for any more more money for the war once he takes office, so Nancy Pelosi and the dems in Congress will feel they have enough political cover so their seats are safe and they will finally be brave enough to stop voting more money for the war.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby eastbay » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 14:59:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'E')xcept it's never been a secret we couldn't afford the war. We don't make anything here, so the whole thing was paid for with loans. No more loans, no more war.
Good point. Maybe Obama will stop asking for any more more money for the war once he takes office, so Nancy Pelosi and the dems in Congress will feel they have enough political cover so their seats are safe and they will finally be brave enough to stop voting more money for the war.

Yeah. Maybe that bonehead Obama will quit blabbing away about how he wants to expand the idiotic wars when there's no money to pay for this madness.

Incidentally, his promises to further encircle Russia with US and NATO soldiers will be far costlier than the Iraq quagmire. The Russian army, although weakened, is a far cry from the pre invasion Iraq army, and at some point they will get tired of all those weapons pointing at them and make us remove them.

Doesn't that idiot Obama (and McCain) even consider this? Now, I realize liberals and conservatives both in this upside down world of 2008 crave more war. It's common knowledge. But still, can't they understand the result of this military escalation is utterly catastrophic. And now, without the funds to support our own economy, they're still harping away about creating more and costlier wars!
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby burtonridr » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 15:08:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'Y')eah. Maybe that bonehead Obama will quit blabbing away about how he wants to expand the idiotic wars when there's no money to pay for this madness.
Incidentally, his promises to further encircle Russia with US and NATO soldiers will be far costlier than the Iraq quagmire. The Russian army, although weakened, is a far cry from the pre invasion Iraq army, and at some point they will get tired of all those weapons pointing at them and make us remove them.
Doesn't that idiot Obama (and McCain) even consider this? Now, I realize liberals and conservatives both in this upside down world of 2008 crave more war. It's common knowledge. But still, can't they understand the result of this military escalation is utterly catastrophic. And now, without the funds to support our own economy, they're still harping away about creating more and costlier wars!

Costly to who? Who profits from war? dont say no one because the money flows from hand to hand, someone ends up with it.

Why do you think it has been going on so long? Why do you think it was started?

Who owns lockhead martin? Who owns boeing? who owns the Clydesdale group?

How many of those owners have a relationship to Bush? How many contributed to his campaign? What a great way to launder money from the tax payers.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby eastbay » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 15:10:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', '[')b]Costly to who? Who profits from war? dont say no one because the money flows from hand to hand, someone ends up with it.
Why do you think it has been going on so long? Why do you think it was started? Who owns lockhead martin? Who owns boeing? who owns the Clydesdale group?
How many of those owners have a relationship to Bush? How many contributed to his campaign? What a great way to launder money from the tax payers.

Our children. It's all added to the national debt and they'll be the ones paying for it. Both in cash and in lowered standard of living.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby mos6507 » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 15:31:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')re you ever able to take a news report at face value without manufacturing a conspiracy around it?
uhm, no.

I respect your honesty. Sorry to disappoint you, though, but sometimes the news really IS just news and not just a propaganda plant.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby burtonridr » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 15:58:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'O')ur children. It's all added to the national debt and they'll be the ones paying for it. Both in cash and in lowered standard of living.

Exactly, "Our Children" you, me our children.. Not their children, their children will be still profiting from it..Thats my point, some people are profiting from it.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby AlexdeLarge » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 16:55:05

Peak Oil says we will not leave. If it comes to it, the Kingdom will fund the troops. They know the consequences of a pull out. They fear the Iranians more than the US.

Plus we gotta have it !!!
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby Tyler_JC » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 17:26:33

Alex,

I've been wondering about that too.

If the US pulls out, would Iraq become a massive, uncontrolled battleground between the Persians and the Arabs? (more so than it already is)

If you think it looks chaotic now, wait till 120,000+ US troops and hundreds of thousands of contractors leave the country.

I could easily see Iranian soldiers involved in a shooting war with Saudi forces on top of the oil fields of Southern Iraq. 8O
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 17:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')lex, I've been wondering about that too. If the US pulls out, would Iraq become a massive, uncontrolled battleground between the Persians and the Arabs? (more so than it already is)
If you think it looks chaotic now, wait till 120,000+ US troops and hundreds of thousands of contractors leave the country. I could easily see Iranian soldiers involved in a shooting war with Saudi forces on top of the oil fields of Southern Iraq. 8O

Thats the nightmare scenario for sure. But it wouldn't be the Saudi Forces.

If we leave and a regional war starts over Iraq, we'd almost certainly get sucked back into a "Gulf War III" by the our "friends and allies" the Saudis and the Kuwaitis and the Qatarites etc.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby Alcassin » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 18:24:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')f you think it looks chaotic now, wait till 120,000+ US troops and hundreds of thousands of contractors leave the country. I could easily see Iranian soldiers involved in a shooting war with Saudi forces on top of the oil fields of Southern Iraq. 8O

Pure doomerism Tyler... It's just your imagination that US has to police the world. It doesn't.
It has enough internal problems to solve with the resources you currently spend on empire.

Truth is, people live around the world and they don't need the american forces there. 770 military bases isn't creating conditions for peace and stability, the only aim is the indirect or direct control over corrupt governments.
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Re: Government knows it can no longer support the war

Postby jasonraymondson » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 18:25:41

I bet we announce plans for a large troop pullout at the end of October.
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