Bush To Be Dictator In A Catastrophic Emergency
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I mean the financial clusterfark of course.
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Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
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Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by TheDude » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 04:11:13
Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by mefistofeles » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 04:32:34
I think Cheney will be running the show but I could be wrong.
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by jbrovont » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 04:46:45
The directive does seem to indicate that, but invoking it would cause a constitutional crisis. Bush doesn't have the authority to scuttle the powers of the Constitution since his authority comes from the Constitution. If he did this I think legally he, and anyone who continued to obey him, would become a splinter cell and cease to be a legal part of the US gov't. Depending of course, on who was paying the lawyer reading the Constitution.
In actuality who knows what would happen - tshtf for sure. You'd have portions of both the legislative and judiciary screaming "you can't do that," and Bush saying "yes, see here it's in this order I wrote for myself." Meanwhile some governors would go along with it and some wouldn't, and you'd probably end up with a call to arms among the state guards ala Lincoln's emancipation proclamation. All the "wackos" that have been screaming "martial law & death camps" would lock & load and come down out of the hills, any semblance of social order would falter, the economy would freeze up, and shortly thereafter, more than likely, hell on earth.
Bad bad bad goo goo any way you cut it. Let's hope we don't go that road.
In actuality who knows what would happen - tshtf for sure. You'd have portions of both the legislative and judiciary screaming "you can't do that," and Bush saying "yes, see here it's in this order I wrote for myself." Meanwhile some governors would go along with it and some wouldn't, and you'd probably end up with a call to arms among the state guards ala Lincoln's emancipation proclamation. All the "wackos" that have been screaming "martial law & death camps" would lock & load and come down out of the hills, any semblance of social order would falter, the economy would freeze up, and shortly thereafter, more than likely, hell on earth.
Bad bad bad goo goo any way you cut it. Let's hope we don't go that road.
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by ReverseEngineer » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 05:19:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'T')he directive does seem to indicate that, but invoking it would cause a constitutional crisis. Bush doesn't have the authority to scuttle the powers of the Constitution since his authority comes from the Constitution. If he did this I think legally he, and anyone who continued to obey him, would become a splinter cell and cease to be a legal part of the US gov't. Depending of course, on who was paying the lawyer reading the Constitution.
I got a Dunce bet going with Cur on this one in another thread of course
Really, its heading this way by all indications. First off, regardless of the fact the Congress is not authorizing a bailout, the Fed keeps issuing more currency anyhow. No restrictions are being placed on the Fed or the Treasury in any real terms.
EVERYBODY is securing their banks through further guarantees on the antional level to private banks and investors, trying to stay afloat in some kind of global trade system. If it fractures out so bad no currency is interconvertible through a reserve currency, there is no meaning to these currencies beyond their local markets. No order to that situation at all of course. That really has never happenned before globally, because in all previous crises of this type, Gold was accepted as a standard between currencies. No longer is this true, and in fact nobody knows relly how much REAL gold anyone else has.
The House of Cards of all currencies is pinned to the dollar, if the dollar tanks, everybody tanks. It becomes quite impossible to value anything, and certainly trade thru electronic markets becomes impossibly chaotic.
Money really is about POWER, through the title and ownership of land. Has been so since the Reformation in this incarnation. Titales to land in the US were given by the crown to certain families, and then the monetary system used to identify ownership was dropped on after that. Nobody REALY "owns" land, you only get a piece of it if you can pay a tithe to whoever will protect your ownership of said property. That power has long been held through the title system of property, and that is why the government is beholden to the bankers. Its a very bad system, it encourages greed and cetralization of wealth, its anti-egalitarian and against all American principles, but it was accepted anyhow because gold did buy power at one time. No more. It no longer really represents wealth well. So now it devolves back to its origins int he power of the army to take as they need, be it by theft or piracy, whatever.
The only time you don;t have to pay taxes is if YOU run the bank, YOU run the army. Otherwise, you are NEVER really 'free". Freedom is and always has been an ILLUSION. A DREAM.
When George is declared Dictator for Life, maybe this will become clear to people here.
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by virgincrude » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 10:08:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Reverse Engineer', 'T')he House of Cards of all currencies is pinned to the dollar, if the dollar tanks, everybody tanks.
Wrong. Many national currencies world-wide are not ‘linked’ nor ‘pinned’ nor ‘pegged’ to the dollar , Japan is one of the few non-oil rich countries which is still pegged to the dollar.
If the dollar tanks it does not automatically mean everybody else’s currency will tank. It means every bodies dollars tank. THAT’S what’s spooking Bush&Co, and everybody else up to their eyeballs in frankly useless dollars.
Since Nixon de-linked the dollar from the gold standard, it has become linked (unofficially) instead to the barrell of oil. Instead of a dollar being worth a fraction of an ounce, it is worth a fraction of a barrel.
Daily Reckoning$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')old-linked currency? There aren’t any more of those. So why not make one? Today, there are discussions about depegging regional currencies like the United Arab Emirates’ dirham from the unreliable dollar, and perhaps repegging to a currency basket. But is a currency basket, of many fiat currencies, much better than a single fiat currency? "Some [OPEC members] said producing countries should designate a single hard currency aside from the U.S. dollar ... to form the basis of our oil trade," Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said recently.
Ah, there’s the rub. There are no hard currencies. Only varying degrees of softness. No central bank today wants its currency to rise further against the dollar. During the 1970s, all the fiat currencies in the world got dragged down with the dollar, because of the trade implications of allowing the dollar to fall too far against their currencies. The pound, deutschemark and yen were no escape. Inflation roared throughout the world.
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by Denny » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 20:10:23
If the U.S.A. ever comes to having a "president for life" couldn't they find somebody better than Bush? Maybe someone with credibility and charisma?
It like John Cleese wrote in his funny letter, Queen Elizabeth has more on the ball than Bush does.
It like John Cleese wrote in his funny letter, Queen Elizabeth has more on the ball than Bush does.
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by TheDude » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 20:16:58
You strain under the yoke of the dictator you have, not the one you want, to paraphrase Rumsfeld. 
Guess we'll find out if the neocons drafted all this F-U democracy scrip for yuks pretty soon.
That letter wasn't authored by Cleese, it was a gag email that took root. Snopes has the story. Still funny stuff.
Guess we'll find out if the neocons drafted all this F-U democracy scrip for yuks pretty soon.
That letter wasn't authored by Cleese, it was a gag email that took root. Snopes has the story. Still funny stuff.
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by Ferretlover » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 22:11:50
One of the (many) problems I have with this "catastrophe:" Way too many people in business and the government ran amuck in the economic arena, the entire time telling John Q. Public that everything was great, wonderful, terrific-fully funded, backed and guaranteed.
They lied.
NOW we're supposed to believe that they know exactly how many billions of dollars would fix everything and make everything perfect again?
I don't think so.
I would like to see a great many arrests that end up in extremely long prison terms.
They lied.
NOW we're supposed to believe that they know exactly how many billions of dollars would fix everything and make everything perfect again?
I don't think so.
I would like to see a great many arrests that end up in extremely long prison terms.
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by pana_burda » Tue 30 Sep 2008, 22:19:38
Does 911 equals 777.7 falldown?
stock market crash another terrorist attack?
"Martial Law" already?
"...... as long as I am the dictator"
NWO/gwb
stock market crash another terrorist attack?
"Martial Law" already?
"...... as long as I am the dictator"
NWO/gwb
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Re: Is this a "Catastrophic Emergency" for the US?
by charliebrownout » Wed 01 Oct 2008, 14:19:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'O')ne of the (many) problems I have with this "catastrophe:" Way too many people in business and the government ran amuck in the economic arena, the entire time telling John Q. Public that everything was great, wonderful, terrific-fully funded, backed and guaranteed.
They lied.
NOW we're supposed to believe that they know exactly how many billions of dollars would fix everything and make everything perfect again?
I don't think so.
I would like to see a great many arrests that end up in extremely long prison terms.
They lied.
NOW we're supposed to believe that they know exactly how many billions of dollars would fix everything and make everything perfect again?
I don't think so.
I would like to see a great many arrests that end up in extremely long prison terms.
Amen to that.
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