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Re: Time Machine

Unread postby aldente » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 17:19:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', ' ')The ultimate truth is that the only thing that mankind has ever needed is personal responsibility.

Well concluded!
All this seems an excercise after all, why are we born in the first place?
Just read about a Norvegian ice breaker that returnd home after a visit to the northern shores of Siberia and they physically observed dissolving methane clathrates bubbling up from the ocean (source: Spiegel magazine Germany). Given the magnitude this hints towards, there is no way that this planet will support much of the live forms that we are familiar with (including us as a species) much longer.

My hunch: Earths function is that of a placenta. All physical existing brains will be short-circuited at some point so to say in order to create one singular, new mega conscious entity that does not require a planet or body. This function is unvoluntary however and not subject to discussion.





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Re: Time Machine

Unread postby Consensi » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 18:17:06

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')I was sitting around thinking tonight: If I jumped into a time machine during Peak Oil, and fast forwarded, say, centuries, millenea, beyond, would the mistakes and themes of the 19th to 21st century repeat themselves?


Absolutely, just as we are repeating the flaws that befell the Romans. We are human, and humans love and hate. Human life is an emotional affair, always was, always will be.

Unless, as in the old 60's movie "The Time Machine", we somehow evolve into a pacific race of obedient zombies we will always be human: usury, love, hate, greed, opportunism, included. But then we wouldn't be humans anymore.

Robert Frost wrote:

"Some say the world will end in fire;
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To know that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice."

As long as we remain human, things will not change. Not now nor a thousand years from now.
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Re: Time Machine

Unread postby Gebari » Wed 01 Oct 2008, 11:22:38

This is it, the peak of humanity, at least in technological and economic terms. We got this far due to a huge source of highly dense, versatile and accessible energy. It took hundreds of millions of years for this energy to accumulate. Once it's gone we won't see such large quantities of it again for millions of years at least, and thus we will never come up as far as we are now.

It's possible that hundreds of millions of years in the future, another intelligent life form will arise (humans as we know it would surely have gone in some way by then), harness the new store of fossil fuels and off we might go again. But for now, this is the top folks.
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