[burtonridr]

Please note: I'm not suggesting that anyone should break the law, I'm only suggesting that you should watch this video and do research into the matter. I still pay my income taxes and encourage everyone to do the same.

I challenge anyone who reads this to prove this guy Aaron Russo wrong by doing your own legal research, I would like to know.

Aaron Russo makes a case in this video through the interview of several former IRS employees, many lawyers, court hearings, supreme court rulings, and through research in the constitution that it is not legal to force the public to pay taxes on their labor.

I'm sure there will be many people that read this who are lawyers, legal advisers, state and government officials, police men, fire men, military service men and women. Please help the country research into this most serious issue.

I encourage anyone that is in internet marketing or website development, or has a blog or mypsace account or anything with an audience to please re post this and spread the knowledge of this and do research into the matter.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=f ... eedom+to+#

[wisconsin_cur]

That's what this guy thought;



And where did it get him?



I will go out on a limb as say that he could probably afford good lawyers.

Oh and advocating the breaking of any law is a violation of the code of conduct 3.1.9

It is fair to ask if it is illegal, but lets keep it within bounds and not advocate anyone not paying their taxes. We can argue the law, but lets remember that people go to jail for it and advocating someone act on a belief that they should avoid paying their income taxes would be subject to deletion.

[burtonridr]

Cur is right, I'm not suggesting that anyone should break the law, just that there should be research into this.

[RdSnt]

It's an extremely old and pointless arguement.
Nothing to see here, move along.

[Lanthanide]

I haven't looked at the google video, but I'll just say this.

The constitution isn't the law.

So I believe what you mean to say is "constitutionally we don't have to pay income tax", while legally you do. If that is true, does that mean the laws are unconstitutional? Yes, but good luck getting them overthrown because of that.

[DantesPeak]

Why is this in the Current Events forum instead of Open Discussion?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'W')hy is this in the Current Events forum instead of Open Discussion?

[burtonridr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lanthanide', 'I') haven't looked at the google video, but I'll just say this.

The constitution isn't the law.

So I believe what you mean to say is "constitutionally we don't have to pay income tax", while legally you do. If that is true, does that mean the laws are unconstitutional? Yes, but good luck getting them overthrown because of that.

[jboogy]

This has always been something of a mystery to me. I've heard many times there are people that haven't paid the federal income tax in years and years.
I heard one of them on the radio once and he stressed over and over you had better do your research and KNOW what you are talking about when you're hauled in front of the judge or else you will get your lunch eaten for you, ( or as Shanny would say " they will drink your milkshake") Why people with big bucks and Ivy league lawyers can't beat it I don't know.
It seems the problem we have isn't, "how can I too, get out of paying taxes?" The problem is, "how can we get profitable corporations and obscenely wealthy people to pay taxes?"

[jbrovont]

+1

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'T')his has always been something of a mystery to me. I've heard many times there are people that haven't paid the federal income tax in years and years.
I heard one of them on the radio once and he stressed over and over you had better do your research and KNOW what you are talking about when you're hauled in front of the judge or else you will get your lunch eaten for you, ( or as Shanny would say " they will drink your milkshake") Why people with big bucks and Ivy league lawyers can't beat it I don't know.
It seems the problem we have isn't, "how can I too, get out of paying taxes?" The problem is, "how can we get profitable corporations and obscenely wealthy people to pay taxes?"

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', '"')how can I too, get out of paying taxes?"

[dukey]

yeah it's true
many IRS agents have left their positions because they realised the fraud
And if you file a tax return, you waive your rights, so you simply dont file anything. But I wouldn't want to try it, they'll probably get you and send armed thugs (i mean freedom support officers) to your door to steal ( i mean liberate) your possessions.

[Micki]

The federal reserve, US$ not back by gold/silver, federal income tax in private income - it's all unconstitutional and set up by the same group of people.
And the head of the country thinks the constitution is "just a God damn piece of paper".
So whilst you may be 100% right, there is no guarantee they don't send you to jail anyway.
Especially now that the Bush administration managed to replace so many judges as well.

A no confidence vote in the current system would however involve minimizing any dealings involving US$. There was a successful court case last year where a company paid salary to staff using legal tender silver coins and counting it at face value rather than the metal value. That way the staff could take up just a minor income in tax declaration and then run off and convert silver to paper at the coin shop tax free.
I posted the article here, so do a bit of search and you can find it.

Good luck

[jasonraymondson]

If you don't want to pay, don't pay. This thread has been created a dozen plus times on here.

On to something new now.

[PenultimateManStanding]

The 16th Amendment: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

The argument seems to be whether it was properly ratified. Some folks have made that argument, as you can see in Russo's film, and won in court. But don't count on it. Depends on the jury. As for it being Constitutional, of course it is. If it becomes an Amendment, it's Constitutional.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he 16th Amendment: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

The argument seems to be whether it was properly ratified. Some folks have made that argument, as you can see in Russo's film, and won in court. But don't count on it. Depends on the jury. As for it being Constitutional, of course it is. If it becomes an Amendment, it's Constitutional.

[GoghGoner]

Wesley Snipes just lost in court on this ploy. That video is a waste of time since the IRS has more power than you and will until the government folds (probably before December at this rate). SNIPES