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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby green_achers » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 18:11:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'i')f the powers in Washington ever use Federal troops against their own citizens in protest, Americans have the immediate right to abolish their government.

Hey, I'm with ya, but, ever heard of the Bonus Marchers?
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 18:18:23

Northcom is already deploying.

Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?

...the Army Times announces that "beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the [1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry Division] will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North" -- "the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities." The article details:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey'll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack. . . .

The 1st BCT's soldiers also will learn how to use "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded," 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.


And for those "unruly" individuals US military unveils heat-ray gun see video

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')It's a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they're fielding. They've been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it."

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

"I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered," said Cloutier, describing the experience as "your worst muscle cramp ever -- times 10 throughout your whole body". . . .

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf").


Now don't you feel safer already.

Don't worry. They'll be watching your back.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..the bright line ban on using the U.S. military as a standing law enforcement force inside the U.S. has been more or less honored -- until now. And as the Army Times notes, once this particular brigade completes its one-year assignment, "expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one."
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 18:18:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'i')f the powers in Washington ever use Federal troops against their own citizens in protest, Americans have the immediate right to abolish their government.

Hey, I'm with ya, but, ever heard of the Bonus Marchers?


1932, right?
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby allmeyer » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 18:25:54

Is this a battle cry?
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby seahorse » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 18:28:17

Battle cry? Do you hear guns firing? If so, move to the sound of the gunfire.
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 19:06:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'B')attle cry? Do you hear guns firing? If so, move to the sound of the gunfire.


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Me, I'm just an old donkey.

I've been watching for quite some time.

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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 19:19:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'i')f the powers in Washington ever use Federal troops against their own citizens in protest, Americans have the immediate right to abolish their government.

Hey, I'm with ya, but, ever heard of the Bonus Marchers?


1932, right?


Yep. Troops (led by McArthur and Patton) against vets. Posse comitatus doesn't apply in DC - or, for that matter, anywhere these days.
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby americandream » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 19:38:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'T')here are more than 200 protests scheduled for today, to protest this bailout.

Yahoo

Will they they do any good and stop the bailout? No. But neither did the Boston Tea Party, yet its legacy lives on. Its nice to see Americans coming to life again and getting back to their roots.

Although its nice to see Americans finally coming to life to protest this coup in Washington, Americans should not underestimate the lengths to which the powers in control will go to cling to power. I need only remind people that Northcom has been assigned its first combat unit for operations on United States soil to prevent civil unrest. I can only presume with protests starting, the powers in Washington are reviewing contingency plans to use their Northcom troops if necessary.

If this happens, if the powers in Washington ever use Federal troops against their own citizens in protest, Americans have the immediate right to abolish their government. That right is well established in the Declaration of Independence. The foundation of American law and government is the Declaration of Independence. It is the "source document" for all other powers. It is the first embodiment of principal expressed by the American people, establishing the right of the people to abolish an existing government and form a new one. Then, and now, it is the founding document for all citizens, and in particular, is the "first general order" of any soldier, for any patriot.

As stated in our Declaration of Independence, our right to govern ourselves and later, the signing of the Constitution, was the formation of a limited government, limited to powers expressed in that written document, with the belief that a limited Constitutional government would always protect the idea that government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. It is the Declaration of Independence that grants citizens the power to abolish an existing government and form a new one, at any time.

Here it is:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Declaration of Independence

If Northcom ever deploys, well, you'll know what to do. As they say in the military, all units, without order, move to the sound of the gunfire.


The fact that you Americans have so undermined the noble principles of your Constitution by tolerating slavery/racism has meant that the document has been watered down to the extent that its principles aren't really valued by you as a people. Hence the document means as much to a red neck thief intent on stealing billions from you as it does to a noble saint residing in a monastery.

It will take an absolute and literal abiding by the intent and words of that document before it retains a consistency. As it is, what does it really mean? Not much other than the cost of the piece of paper it is printed on.
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 20:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he fact that you Americans have so undermined the noble principles of your Constitution by tolerating slavery/racism has meant that the document has been watered down to the extent that its principles aren't really valued by you as a people. Hence the document means as much to a red neck thief intent on stealing billions from you as it does to a noble saint residing in a monastery.

It will take an absolute and literal abiding by the intent and words of that document before it retains a consistency. As it is, what does it really mean? Not much other than the cost of the piece of paper it is printed on.


Silly nonsense.

Let's start with this - there is no other document in the world that means nearly as much.

Let's end with this - the Constitution wasn't affected by racism or slavery - the Constitution was diminished by the Supreme Court, which was responsible for gutting the original intent.

And, um, as I understand it NZ was stolen from natives, who are now actively discriminated against and who don't like white people.

Clean your own house before you bitch about your neighbor's.
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby kpeavey » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 22:49:38

A part of the Declaration of Independence in the quote by Seahorse2
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby americandream » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 23:26:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he fact that you Americans have so undermined the noble principles of your Constitution by tolerating slavery/racism has meant that the document has been watered down to the extent that its principles aren't really valued by you as a people. Hence the document means as much to a red neck thief intent on stealing billions from you as it does to a noble saint residing in a monastery.
It will take an absolute and literal abiding by the intent and words of that document before it retains a consistency. As it is, what does it really mean? Not much other than the cost of the piece of paper it is printed on.
Silly nonsense. Let's start with this - there is no other document in the world that means nearly as much. Let's end with this - the Constitution wasn't affected by racism or slavery - the Constitution was diminished by the Supreme Court, which was responsible for gutting the original intent. And, um, as I understand it NZ was stolen from natives, who are now actively discriminated against and who don't like white people. Clean your own house before you bitch about your neighbor's.

Whoa, ease up on those horses boy! The desire for freedom is a human desire. If you purport to make that the central tenet of your society's objective in a document and then turn around and shit on it, then be prepared for all the other nonsense that follows including other abuses of that document.

New Zealand has never purported to stand for anything other than what emerges from time to time via the direction of our political system. It isn't some idealised utopia nor do we claim it is. Rather an imperfect place with a less than ideal past. We claim no high place in the global order, many of us would rather we cut our ties with Europe and went it alone in the South Pacific as a new nation with an imperfect sense of direction. And most of all, we do not seek to play mind fcuk games with ourselves.
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby MrBean » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 06:03:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'A')nd, um, as I understand it NZ was stolen from natives, who are now actively discriminated against and who don't like white people. Clean your own house before you bitch about your neighbor's.

And US? Natives there, mostly genocided, rest actively discriminated against? Some seeking independence from US?

There was also something about some white folks stealing the founding principles of a native federation (intellectual property violation!!!?), misunderstanding what made it good, what made it work, and distorting it into "US Constitution".
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby Mquinon3 » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 10:20:35

"you americans"

-gotta be careful with such polarizing language. .
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Re: When Northcom deploys . . .

Unread postby Pops » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 13:22:12

See the thing is Northcom is nothing new, just because there is a little rattle on the ground doesn't mean there has never been a presence. link And I ain't been bombed or strafed yet.

Take it easy people.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')SNORTHCOM’s official response to Commission on National Guard and Reserves Final Report February 1, 2008
PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. -- U.S. Northern Command’s primary mission is Homeland Defense, and the command stands ready to respond to any homeland defense or civil support mission requirement.

“The U.S. military absolutely has the capacity to respond to potential threats within our nation today. It will get better in this coming year and continue to improve beyond that,” said Gen. Gene Renuart, USNORTHCOM commander.

Established in 2002 as a result of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, USNORTHCOM has dramatically expanded DoD’s focus on all aspects of Homeland Defense, including planning and exercising, as well as organizing new headquarters and units that are specifically tailored for domestic response.

USNORTHCOM has prepared detailed plans for responding to situations that range from pandemic influenza to Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear events, and the command has redefined its readiness capabilities since Hurricane Katrina.

When it comes to providing forces in response to incidents, the command has nearly 50 National Guard officers fully integrated within its operations, in addition to National Guard Civil Support Teams located within every U.S. state and territory, and 17 regional consequence response units.

USNORTHCOM also utilizes an active-duty military response unit of nearly 450 Marines who are the “gold standard” for responding to weapons of mass destruction attacks. In addition, there are pre-identified active-duty and Reserve components (4,000 members each) on a short string to provide additional muscle to initial response teams.

USNORTHCOM’s primary mission remains defending the homeland, and Americans can be assured the U.S. military is ready and capable of responding to attacks within the United States. H
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Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 18:31:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'H')mmm, maybe the Army should try this in Iraq. A family member who returned this year from a 15 month deployment told me everybody there has an AK47 and a supply of ammo. Nothing seems to have made these people give up their guns and they have little more than their lives and their families.

The father of a friend of mine served in WWII, through the US occupation of Germany. He says standard op was top-to-bottom door-to-door confiscation of EVERY firearm. Didn't matter if it was an 18th century snaphaunce that had been hanging on the wall for 150 years, the GIs took it. Everything on the block would be piled up in the street and run over by a Sherman tank.

Why such measures are considered unacceptable now I couldn't tell you. Only recourse is to delve into various CTs regarding the neocons' objective. Or the circumstances/logistics prevent disarming the Iraqis now. Either way it's pretty disgusting.


Do you really think for a moment they got all of them? I saw lots of p38's and lugars as kid, not to mention Mauser rifles. Where did they come from?
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Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States

Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 22:20:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou do realize that crazy people, when told they are crazy, usually retort "maybe I'm sane and YOU are crazy."

Well... If that line doesn't work when you use it, Mos, then I won't ever try to use it either! :lol:
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Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 26 Sep 2008, 22:53:28

<i>Your papers please</i>

uh......... I only have a pipe.

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Army combat unit to deploy within U.S. CNN

Unread postby IndigoMoon » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 12:32:11

Army combat unit to deploy within U.S.
updated 10:32 p.m. EDT, Fri October 3, 2008

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States military's Northern Command, formed in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks, is dedicating a combat infantry team to deal with catastrophes in the U.S., including terrorist attacks and natural disasters.

The 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, which was first into Baghdad, Iraq, in 2003, started its controversial assignment Wednesday.

The First Raiders will spend 2009 as the first active-duty military unit attached to the U.S. Northern Command since it was created. They will be based in Fort Stewart, Georgia, and focus primarily on logistics and support for local police and rescue personnel, the Army says.

The plan is drawing skepticism from some observers who are concerned that the unit has been training with equipment generally used in law enforcement, including beanbag bullets, Tasers, spike strips and roadblocks.

That kind of training seems a bit out of line for the unit's designated role as Northern Command's CCMRF (Sea Smurf), or CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force. CBRNE stands for chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosive incidents.

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Re: Army combat unit to deploy within U.S. CNN

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 12:37:04

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Re: US Army Prepares for SHTF in the States

Unread postby IndigoMoon » Sun 05 Oct 2008, 13:09:32

Thank you Mods for combining these 2 threads. I Should have realized that one was already posted.

Now that CNN has posted it and MSM is aware, people [s]will[/s] may start paying attention. I was on another site when I found this story. They have a thread started where people are posting if they see any heightened military presence and where. Not a bad idea actually.
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