The problem stems from a materialistic ideology. Look around your surroundings and count the number of Logos present. Its burned in every image of your life in the background somewhere. This is "Branding" The way displays are set up at the cash register are effective sales techniques and are related to the power of suggestion. These are tools companies used in the turn of the century to spread consumerism. It spread like a virus and evolved into the techno abysm of America. People have been programed to buy. Half the news is about the latest device or must have look.
We also are a very immoral nation (In a holistic viewpoint). We buy things made from sweat shops so little Timmy can get the new XPOD 400. We allow experimental and new medications to be advertised on tv by creating a new disease with ambiguous symptoms. If its not FDA approved it shouldn't be shown. Hell, there's even traces of pharacueticals in 48 million homes. (At least I haven't grown a tail) Laws are simply statutes in "the language" and are often complicated and have many loopholes. The list is endless.
If we adopted a anthropocentric liberitarian hollistic viewpoint we would be set. By libertarian I am refering to its basic philosophic meaning: Every x has a right to live as one chooses as long as they don't interfere with others as well. If we all did our part for sake of the population at whole, we might be able to all survive. It's mathematical. How many people and the amount of joules vs calories. Unfortuanetely, with the obesity ecidemic we would still need a lot of calories because overweight people need more calories to perform regular tasks.
I doubt it would happen, but just wanted to throw it out there. There are so many complexities on what's happening on a global scale and individual. Most of the financial jibberish is abstract for most people. They just hustle around texting and driving, everything is normal. In the back of their minds they know the truth but are not ready to grieve.
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Re: Solutions to Global Monetary System Meltdown
by Kristen » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 05:03:17
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Re: Solutions to Global Monetary System Meltdown
by mos6507 » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 16:00:34
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')In the event we cannot produce enough food? My plan is to die.
')In the event we cannot produce enough food? My plan is to die.
Are you sure you've thought this through? You do realize there are low population zones that DO support agriculture that would probably not be the first on the list for "them" to confiscate?
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Re: Solutions to Global Monetary System Meltdown
by ReverseEngineer » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 16:07:29
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If the hunters are the deciders what is the point of the elder council? If the military (the hunters) are really in charge, whats the point? Maybe they will just kill the elders if the elders do not distribute the grain the way they like?
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If the hunters are the deciders what is the point of the elder council? If the military (the hunters) are really in charge, whats the point? Maybe they will just kill the elders if the elders do not distribute the grain the way they like?
In times of plenty the elder council serves to resolve disputes, often between the hunters themselves. The hunters have respect and love for these people, they of course are their parents who raised them. In times of famine, the hunters also wish to insure their tribe survives, and so they often will give more to their starving children then they take for themselves, until it becomes clear if they continue doing this they will be too weak to hunt, at which point they choose the weakest of the children and leave them to die. The elders at this time also die off, only those of procreating age are the last left standing. If they can survive through the famine, they procreate again and the cycle repeats.
If they cannot survive the famine because it goes too long, the result is obvious. They go extinct.
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Re: Solutions to Global Monetary System Meltdown
by ReverseEngineer » Sat 20 Sep 2008, 16:34:53
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')In the event we cannot produce enough food? My plan is to die.
')In the event we cannot produce enough food? My plan is to die.
Are you sure you've thought this through? You do realize there are low population zones that DO support agriculture that would probably not be the first on the list for "them" to confiscate?
The whole purpose of this debate is to think it through, together with you and the others who are participating in the thread. Its a process that is not concluded yet.
Absolutely, one of the better choices available right now would be to be in a low popultaion zone that supports local agriculture. In a prior thread a while back I mentioned that I identified a few areas around the lower 48 and Canada that rank higher on the Survivability Index scale
For instance, if I lived in the Northeast right now and had a Bug Out machine and enough gas to get me there without a refill, I might head for Maine or Vermont or the Shenandoah Valley, but only if I knew some of the locals there. Going there by myself would not be a good idea.
However, although in the age of computers what is occuring on the paper level will transmit itself more rapidly to the general economy than in previous crashes of this type, the industrial agricultural machine won't fail overnight. By centralizing what wealth is left into the hands of the few, they will retain most of the political power and be able to hire the biggest number of Storm Troopers. The Independents out there are always a danger and will be rooted out, their small farms gradually collectivized as well, taken for the greed of the few in a fascist outcome, taken for the needs of the many in a communist outcome.
The main saving grace you have here is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to run a mechanized army and support the logistics. Geography is your FRIEND if you are an independent and wish to try to stay out of the conflict. Remember who stayed neutral in WWII? The Swiss. Why? MOUNTAINS. BIG MOUNTAINS. Even when oil was plentiful, you just could not roll tanks over those mountains. Mechanized armies really only work well on flat land in the river valleys, on the plains and in the deserts.
Anyhow, to my friends the Subsitence Farmers here on the board, I wish you the best of luck with your choice also. I hope your farm is not in Iowa though or in Texas. Flat land still quite easy to roll tanks over for as long as some oil is left and some refineries are left, that is where that product goes to, for a while yet to come. I hope your farm is in a little valley somewhere in Vermont, surrounded on all sides by Mountains. Big Mountains. The Great Wall that God built.
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