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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 07:14:27

Inflation benefits debtors. Normally banks would fight inflation tooth and nail because it would depreciate their assets. This time around, the banks are the ones holding the bad debt. I suspect the inflation will be in double digit numbers until the value of the toxic waste is neutralized. Republicans have generally come to the aid of big business because they see these businesses as the engines that drive the economy. They better take a page from Roosevelt’s play book and start creating jobs for the little people. The CCC and WPA need to be ramped up.
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby Denny » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 12:55:37

If they check out this You Tube of President Bush, just done in August at the Beijing Olympics, they'll be amazed that the present financial crisis could have spawned so fast.

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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 13:05:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat will the history books say about this time?

It is going to depend a great deal on who does the writing.
Current history books are not very accurate; everyone involved will want to put their own spin on the recollection of events.
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 13:08:42

Whoever has been the world's primary manufacturer in the past, has also eventually become the world's leading lender and financier. Is the US passing the Baton to China and the East?

It will be interesting to see what sort of financier role China will eventually play. Because China's currency is still controlled by the government - it has not been co-opted by private bankers.
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby smiley » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 14:55:40

Probably not very much. History is good in recording the aftermath of such events, but rarely mentions the source.

The financial markets haven't really changed in the past 400 years or so. If you think that stocks, futures, options, shorts, longs and even those derivatives are modern inventions, they're not. They have been around long before Wall Street even was a dirt road.

And every crash has been the same as the previous, all the way back to the dutch stock crisis of 1636, or the Cowry currency crisis. Their aftermath may differ, but in essence these events are very similar. Overvaluation due to investor hysteria.

And yes the politicians will speak bold words and wave their fists. And maybe they will "fix" the financial perils. But the real problem is human nature in combination with speculative instruments. And why would they want to change a system which over the past centuries predominantly has been very good to them.

So the system will be reset, temporary stopgaps will be applied, and investors will happily start blowing up the next bubble.
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 20:03:17

A rough pathway to a new golden age of humanity.
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 20:11:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'A')nd yes the politicians will speak bold words and wave their fists. And maybe they will "fix" the financial perils. But the real problem is human nature in combination with speculative instruments. And why would they want to change a system which over the past centuries predominantly has been very good to them.
So the system will be reset, temporary stopgaps will be applied, and investors will happily start blowing up the next bubble.

Perhaps it will be reset, but this time I think not. This time the economic crash grew outside the paper wealth and took on the true wealth of the world. It burned it up. As I said in a prior post, the biggest bonfire of paper wealth in all of recorded history.

Good grief man, the Polar Ice cap melted! Did any of the prior crashes come CLOSE to that in terms of environmental degradation?
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 20:28:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'A')nd yes the politicians will speak bold words and wave their fists. And maybe they will "fix" the financial perils. But the real problem is human nature in combination with speculative instruments. And why would they want to change a system which over the past centuries predominantly has been very good to them. So the system will be reset, temporary stopgaps will be applied, and investors will happily start blowing up the next bubble.
Perhaps it will be reset, but this time I think not. This time the economic crash grew outside the paper wealth and took on the true wealth of the world. It burned it up. As I said in a prior post, the biggest bonfire of paper wealth in all of recorded history.Good grief man, the Polar Ice cap melted! Did any of the prior crashes come CLOSE to that in terms of environmental degradation?

We won't let ice caps melt!
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 21:03:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'I')f they check out this You Tube of President Bush, just done in August at the Beijing Olympics, they'll be amazed that the present financial crisis could have spawned so fast.

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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 21:50:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DoomWarrior', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'I')f they check out this You Tube of President Bush, just done in August at the Beijing Olympics, they'll be amazed that the present financial crisis could have spawned so fast.

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Classic Bush: Arrogance + Incompetence.


maybe he means it in a relative sense?
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Re: What will the history books say about this time?

Unread postby lonewolf » Sun 21 Sep 2008, 23:18:18

“History is a set of lies agreed upon.” Napoleon Bonaparte

- as written by the victors,

- IF any literate 'elite' remain.

Same then as back when.
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