[criticalmass]

"There will be no single silver bullet for the looming crisis but at least there are some credible alternatives nearing industrial scale production." -newbonic

This is the only reason I have hope for avoiding extreme poverty worldwide in a post-oil world.
Now if only we could keep people from using so much and having so many freakin' kids!

This will be outlawed in the next decade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJufpRZNNRg
Just my prediction.

[newbonic]

Wind Farms blasted by 'clean energy' boss.

Basically, a H2 electrolyser/fuel cell co CEO says:
"Renewable energy without storage offers no energy security solution and little in the way of CO2 reduction. There’s no point in building 20 new wind farms if you have to simultaneously run back-up power stations in parallel to provide electricity in case the wind drops and the turbines don’t turn.

But if you can store the excess energy produced when conditions are good, then you have a real clean energy solution. And this is what you have with hydrogen and it’s the vital link.

Buffer storage of hydrogen allows you to use energy when you need it and it’s central to any power grid system. But politicians and even some advocates of clean power seem to be blind to this.

This is what I've been saying for months, so obviously I agree with him.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbonic', '[')url=http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/article-204855.html]Wind Farms blasted by 'clean energy' boss[/url].

Basically, a H2 electrolyser/fuel cell co CEO says:
"Renewable energy without storage offers no energy security solution and little in the way of CO2 reduction. There’s no point in building 20 new wind farms if you have to simultaneously run back-up power stations in parallel to provide electricity in case the wind drops and the turbines don’t turn.

But if you can store the excess energy produced when conditions are good, then you have a real clean energy solution. And this is what you have with hydrogen and it’s the vital link.

Buffer storage of hydrogen allows you to use energy when you need it and it’s central to any power grid system. But politicians and even some advocates of clean power seem to be blind to this.

This is what I've been saying for months, so obviously I agree with him.

[newbonic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbonic', '[')url=http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/article-204855.html]Wind Farms blasted by 'clean energy' boss[/url].

If you are going to do that why not use the H2 as a reactant with CO2 and manufacture Methane? It stores 10 times easier, has greater energy density, and if you are using atmospheric CO2 it is carbon neutral.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbonic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbonic', '[')url=http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/article-204855.html]Wind Farms blasted by 'clean energy' boss[/url].

If you are going to do that why not use the H2 as a reactant with CO2 and manufacture Methane? It stores 10 times easier, has greater energy density, and if you are using atmospheric CO2 it is carbon neutral.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')If I were designing the system I would not sell the electricity generated by wind at any point, I would use it for electrolysis/Methane production whenever it was availible.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hat is the efficiency of converting wind power into compressed H2? And if you convert it back to electricity by burning it in turbines rather than fuel cells, don't those losses really start to add up? Renewables already have problems generating enough electricity for immediate use. So if you want to peak shave, you're going to want to use every last deferred electron. It seems like a technology such as EESTORs or vanadium-redox would be better, something with fewer losses.

[aahala2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbonic', '[')url=http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/article-204855.html]Wind Farms blasted by 'clean energy' boss[/url].

Basically, a H2 electrolyser/fuel cell co CEO says:
"[i]Renewable energy without storage offers no energy security solution and little in the way of CO2 reduction. There’s no point in building 20 new wind farms if you have to simultaneously run back-up power stations in parallel to provide electricity in case the wind drops and the turbines don’t turn.

[Gerben]

As long as we are still using natural gas to make hydrogen and electricity, it's not economic to make methane through wind power. Make hydrogen and sell it to companies that currently use NG to make hydrogen. Or use wind power to drive pumps etc to store energy or use batteries.

[newbonic]

I found the full article on the ITM website, so if you want to read 'from the horses mouth' then its ITM press release (warning 320k PDF!).

My own view is that storage of off peak renewable's output is the key to economic long term power generation, whether it's H2 or some other 'battery'.

On the way to work I pass a factory/research centre that's had 2 huge wind turbines erected onsite. The place is empty at weekends, yet the blades keep turning (I don't know if the turbines are grid connected tho').

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbonic', '
')My own view is that storage of off peak renewable's output is the key to economic long term power generation, whether it's H2 or some other 'battery'.

[yesplease]

VRBs are close, at ~5-6c/kWh stored according to VRBPower, but it's too close to call IMO.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('newbonic', 'T')his is what I've been saying for months, so obviously I agree with him.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '
')What you need at the end is conservation, demand destruction, powerdown, etc. That's how you solve the real problem. My 2 cents.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'W')hat you need at the end is conservation, demand destruction, powerdown, etc. That's how you solve the real problem. My 2 cents.

[vtsnowedin]

There is no free energy from the alternator. The voltage regulator adjusts the load to maintain 12+ volts in the system. When you add load by say turning on the headlights the resistance of the magnetic field created by the field coils increases making it harder for the armature to spin inside it. This load has to be overcome by the belt turning the pully. Even at idle the alternator is producing power to run the sparkplugs and the computer ignition plus recharge the battery.
In the recent cold weather as you hook up jumper cables from a idling car to one with a run down battery you can hear the running engine strain as it takes on the load of charging the dead battery. Then you know you have a good connection.

[hho2u]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WisJim', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'W')hat I don't understand is why this would be any better than simply using a plug-in electric vehicle. For the average commuter, I mean; I suppose hydrogen might be more convenient for long-distance driving. But for the average Joe schlepping ten miles to work, what's the advantage of this setup over a wall socket?

[louistran]

ITM Power has a new CEO and aggressive marketing plan so we may seem some of their devices on the market soon.

http://www.smallcapnews.co.uk/article/I ... /7502.aspx

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot if ITM Power has anything to do with it. This British firm, based in Sheffield, thinks that hydrogen is still the fuel of the future. I

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hho2u', '&')quot;They have been suppressing this technology for too long. Between Big oil companies,car makers and our Government "they" have bought and shelved over 200 fuel saving patents. We need to take this technology to the level it should be and make it available to the public.
LD -- HHO2U.comHydrogen on Demand