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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 08:06:16

Y'all are so mean beating up that poor conspiracy theorist. Now he knows we're all part of the plot too.

Well, he is right about the well plugging. Virtually every well ever plugged is making some oil/gas at the time. As mentioned, it wasn't making a profit but let's not spoil a good consiracy with facts. Actually, under most leases, as long as the well is netting $1 a month you can perpetuate the lease. Even if the well isn't making any money it is holding the lease. Eventually the operator, or someone else, may come up with another well to drill on it. It also costs $3000 to $10,000 to plug a well so if an operator can put it off for a while he's happy.

I always love the "tankers circling in the ocean" story. Ignore the fact that those tankers cost a lot to just have them run idle, if the oil companies want to hold crude off the market to run prices up all that have to do is reduce production at the well head or not buy as much imported oil. Despite some general misconceptions, the oil comapnies are not public utilities. They are free to produce or buy as little oil as they want. The worse penalty they could suffer would be to hurt their public image. I'm sure that fear would keep them awake at night.
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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby skeptik » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 08:17:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tedbohne', 's')cience will find a way, and I suspect they already have, to use hydrogen as a motor fuel.
False.
False?
Yes, I know. That's not what I meant.
What did you mean? :?

Let me have a guess at what Coyote meant. False = Where are the Hydrogen wells?

I'll give you that 'False' is an exceedingly obscure answer to anybody not familiar with the arguments! :wink:
Hydrogen, unlike oil, is not an energy resource.
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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby yesplease » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 21:24:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptik', 'L')et me have a guess at what Coyote meant. False = Where are the Hydrogen wells? I'll give you that 'False' is an exceedingly obscure answer to anybody not familiar with the arguments! Hydrogen, unlike oil, is not an energy resource.

The nice thing about Hydrogen is that the "wells" can be anything from wind turbines to nuclear power plants, not to say that it's better than alternatives. Energy is not created or destroyed, the only thing we can do is change it's form and the amount available for useful work given some application.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Professor Membrane', ' ')Not now son, I'm making ... TOAST!
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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby Quinny » Tue 09 Sep 2008, 04:19:47

One of the most frightening aspects (apart from the maths) of PO is that those in denial almost always point to some kind of conspiracy theory to explain events. I've seen a lot of bad situations in business and life, and over 90% of the time they come down to cock-up rather than conspiracy.

I believe conspiracy is often simply used as a smokescreen to hide holes in the argument.
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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby VMarcHart » Tue 09 Sep 2008, 09:06:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptik', 'H')ydrogen, unlike oil, is not an energy resource.
Alas, oil is not a form of energy either. An energy resource is the sun, the Earth magnetic field, the Earth core, etc. Oil is a storage of energy. Trillions of trillions of algae (aka the dinosaurs) have been trapped and decomposed during millions of years of solar, thermal, etc, resources, and become oil.
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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby zoidberg » Tue 09 Sep 2008, 09:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptik', 'H')ydrogen, unlike oil, is not an energy resource.
Alas, oil is not a form of energy either. An energy resource is the sun, the Earth magnetic field, the Earth core, etc. Oil is a storage of energy. Trillions of trillions of algae (aka the dinosaurs) have been trapped and decomposed during millions of years of solar, thermal, etc, resources, and become oil.

hehe dinosaurs.

It is an energy resource in that we gain a profit in energy from collecting it, in the same way we gain an energy profit in using a windmill to generate electricity. The ultimate source of the energy is the sun of course, but energy resource merely refers to the fact that its a resource we can gain energy from as opposed to manufacturing hydrogen.
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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby VMarcHart » Tue 09 Sep 2008, 10:32:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'h')ehe dinosaurs.
Sense of humor is me. :)$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '.')..energy resource merely refers to the fact it's a resource we can gain energy from as opposed to manufacturing hydrogen.
True, but we don't look at the energy involved to create the ore that it's ultimately transformed in a wind tower. Just like oil, we take it for granted the energy involved in its manufacturing. Actually, technically we can manufacture oil, it just will take "a little" time.
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Re: PEAK OIL?

Unread postby Nordsven » Wed 10 Sep 2008, 10:30:47

Thanks a lot guys,

once again it appears that you have ran someone away from the forum, away from peak oil, and away from star trek.


Why can't people be kind to first posters before they get run through the dryer?

I'm sure glad i didn't get slammed on my first post, then again this guy makes no sense

hydrogen is not free energy, actually its real expensive.
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