[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'P')utting in cattle guards (even if I paid for them) would require a friendly, close relationship with this guy, and I've failed to establish that (despite trying). I will consider writing him a letter proposing it, but I hold out little hope for that..

[Byron100]

Just now read through this thread. Having worked for a local planning dept. back in the 90's, I did learn the difference between ROW and easement...very big difference. Since it wasn't practical for the farmer to chop his farm in two for a dedicated ROW, he provided the easement to your land, which does give him continued control of the land on which the easement passes - except to erect barriers to access, of course. As long as you have the ability to gain access to your land without his assistance, I do think the farmer is in the right, although I wouldn't call him the most polite of neighbors. He probably does have the fences up for the purpose of segregating various strips of grazing land - lots of farmers do that. I do agree with you in that he probably took down 3 out of the 4 fences during the process of selling the property to you, which is a bummer, I must admit. :/

Land that requires passage through someone else's land typically sells for less than road frontage land - sometimes much less. Hence, your low purchase price, and that's where the trade-off comes in. I'm sure the farmer would have never sold that land if someone was going to come in and put a house there, for instance. But if I was in your shoes, I'd start figuring how much income I could get from those pines nearing maturity and make plans to sell off that timber as the second generation of trees (the ones you planted) grow to take their place. This should keep the land value relatively constant, IMO. Then, when you're ready to sell, you would have at least provided some return on your investment for the time it's been tied up in owning that section of land.

Speaking of land...I'll probably be making a trip up to New York sometime over the next year to scout land possibilities. I wonder if land values up there have risen or fallen since 2004, which is the last time I was up there, which averaged out to about $2200-2400 an acre, if I remember correctly. Sure is some beautiful country up there, that's for sure.

[deMolay]

Heinie do not discount what I said about squatters rights. Look it up, in law it gives the appearnace of you abandoning your property.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'H')einie do not discount what I said about squatters rights. Look it up, in law it gives the appearnace of you abandoning your property.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'J')ust now read through this thread. Having worked for a local planning dept. back in the 90's, I did learn the difference between ROW and easement...very big difference. Since it wasn't practical for the farmer to chop his farm in two for a dedicated ROW, he provided the easement to your land, which does give him continued control of the land on which the easement passes - except to erect barriers to access, of course. As long as you have the ability to gain access to your land without his assistance, I do think the farmer is in the right, although I wouldn't call him the most polite of neighbors. He probably does have the fences up for the purpose of segregating various strips of grazing land - lots of farmers do that. I do agree with you in that he probably took down 3 out of the 4 fences during the process of selling the property to you, which is a bummer, I must admit. :/

Land that requires passage through someone else's land typically sells for less than road frontage land - sometimes much less. Hence, your low purchase price, and that's where the trade-off comes in. I'm sure the farmer would have never sold that land if someone was going to come in and put a house there, for instance. But if I was in your shoes, I'd start figuring how much income I could get from those pines nearing maturity and make plans to sell off that timber as the second generation of trees (the ones you planted) grow to take their place. This should keep the land value relatively constant, IMO. Then, when you're ready to sell, you would have at least provided some return on your investment for the time it's been tied up in owning that section of land.

Speaking of land...I'll probably be making a trip up to New York sometime over the next year to scout land possibilities. I wonder if land values up there have risen or fallen since 2004, which is the last time I was up there, which averaged out to about $2200-2400 an acre, if I remember correctly. Sure is some beautiful country up there, that's for sure.

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')houghts? Advice? Thanks!

[Heineken]

The idea of offering him money to reduce the number of electric fences crossing the ROW never occurred to me, pedalling. I might pursue it if I were sufficiently rich or sufficiently obsessed with this matter.

For now I'll keep hooking and unhooking. You never know, things change over time and some of those fences might disappear. Maybe they're just temporary or seasonal---I've only owned the land a bit over one year. The farmer might go out of business or stop raising dairy cows. Who knows.

Some problems go away on their own, over time.

[deMolay]

If you have a deed to the ROW your property. Yet you let him control that property. Then in the eyes of the law, you have abandoned your property rights and defacto he has gained an interest in your titled ROW property. Much real estate law is based on Common Law.

[Byron100]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'I')f you have a deed to the ROW your property. Yet you let him control that property. Then in the eyes of the law, you have abandoned your property rights and defacto he has gained an interest in your titled ROW property. Much real estate law is based on Common Law.

[Heineken]

Byron is right.

Maybe things are different in Canada, DeMolay, but in the US if you have a deeded easement through someone else's property you literally own the right to travel across that pathway (which is formally surveyed and mapped on the plat that goes with the deed), forever. You can't stop on the road and set up camp, though, you have to keep moving. When you sell the property that right gets transferred to the new owner. It never goes away, until the collapse of our legal system, anyway.