[watchdogmovement]

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[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith all the effort we are witnessing in developing environmentally progressive technologies for automotive applications, it’s great to see that Boeing researchers and industry partners throughout Europe are planning to conduct experimental flight tests this year of a manned airplane powered only by a fuel cell and lightweight batteries. The systems integration phase of the Boeing Research and Technology Europe (BR&TE) Fuel Cell Demonstrator Airplane research project was completed recently and thorough systems integration testing is now under way in preparation for upcoming ground and flight testing. The Boeing demonstrator uses a Proton Exchange Membrane (PEM) fuel cell/lithium-ion battery hybrid system to power an electric motor, which is coupled to a conventional propeller. The fuel cell provides all power for the cruise phase of flight. During takeoff and climb, the flight segment that requires the most power, the system draws on lightweight lithium-ion batteries.

"Given the efficiency and environmental benefits of emerging fuel cell technology, Boeing wants to be on the forefront of developing and applying it to aerospace products," said Francisco Escarti, BR&TE managing director. "The Fuel Cell Demonstrator Airplane project is an important step in that direction."

A fuel cell is an electrochemical device that converts hydrogen directly into electricity and heat without combustion. Fuel cells are emission-free and quieter than hydrocarbon fuel-powered engines. They save fuel and are cleaner for the environment.

[steam_cannon]

I'm going guess that some important people at Boeing realized using swimming pools of jet fuel per plane may not be an option in the near future... So if they can make a plane that charges up or can be run on something else, that is what they will do to stay in business (longer).

Big business usually doesn't think of the environment, they think of the bottom line. So if the bottom line says no more jet fuel, they are going to try to keep their business running some other way. Actions speak louder then words and these sort of actions say a lot of things.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '
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more progress?

at
http://gizmag.com/go/7046/

[Twilight]

They could try to work on airships. At least the skin you can outsource to the textile industries of India, and not paint it with thermite this time. At least then they would have something that actually worked 70 years ago and could probably be improved upon.

[miraculix]

I have been thinking about giving blimps a second chance.

They must be more efficient than jets.

Can be used for cargo and passengers.

[eastbay]

Gideon, I hear ya. No more Joe six-pack.... after a few years here I doubt if anyone coule be.

However, we're in the tiny minority here. Most reading that idiotic article are enjoying visions of millions of intercontinental travellers happily snoozing away on countless supersonic flights seated in exotic and futuristic aircraft that create no pollution and consume no power whatsoever.

The future is safe to them. They will not listen to anything suggesting otherwise. Suggesting otherwise will only anger them.

[steam_cannon]

Hydrogen filled dirigibles/zeppelins had better safety statistics then airplanes today, less accidents and deaths. With improved weather monitoring technology, the safety could be even higher. They also probably had much smoother rides, like riding in a balloon. And new designs do not need to use Hydrogen or Helium, hot air in a semi-ridged frame works well too. Heat from cooling the engine could be used for example, though systems I've read about use a blower with a burner.

Personally I hope we go back to that technology, they are quite efficient. Even though they have a fair amount of wind resistance you are not burning tons of fuel to simply keep the thing in the air like with an airplane. A solar powered plane is very difficult to achieve because of it's weight. But a hydrogen filled zeppelin with flexible solar panels could be built with existing technology. In fact, it is possible to make hot air balloons that simply heat and lift by being in the sun.


http://perso.orange.fr/ballonsolaire/en-historique2.htm

So perhaps flexible solar panels could be inside a balloon structure to provide motor power, while the sun heats the solar panels and structure providing lift for cargo. Like a great big jellyfish in the sky! A fun idea

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '
') May, I'm glad I'm no longer Joe Citizen who used to hear this crap and think, wow, that's cool. A plane that runs on hydrogen, with only water as a product. It's a miracle.

[Ferretlover]

Work stoppage is expected to cost firm $100 million per day, analysts say updated 33 minutes ago
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')VERETT, Wash. - Boeing Co. machinists walked out on strike Saturday after talks with a federal mediator failed to produce an agreement.
About 100 union members hoisted their strike signs at 12:01 a.m. outside the Boeing plant in this city north of Seattle, cheering and blasting air horns at passing cars, many of which honked back.
"It's been about lack of respect," said Steve Morrison, 42, a tester at the Everett plant. "They always tell us we're valued much but labor is the first out the door, the first to be outsourced." …

[Byron100]

What I don't understand is why the very highest paid of workers get to go on strike and demand even MORE money...those are cream puff jobs that many folks can only dream of having.

I just wish the service-class workers - the ones that work at Wal-Mart, man the drive-thru lanes at the nation's fast food joints, workers in the low-paying hospitality industry, people who work in nursing homes, etc, would form unions and go on brutal, corporation-crushing strikes. Imagine every Wal-mart in the nation closed for 60, 90, 120 days or more as legions of strikers dig their heels in against cold-blooded management. Imagine every McDonald's in the land shuttered for months on end as their workers picket the parking lots, demanding wages of $20, 25, $30 an hour...hehe.

In my dreams, I know, but it sure would be a sweet thing to see...

[ColossalContrarian]

These bozo's also get health and retirement. Do they realize quite a few American works don't get squat for benefits and that there plenty of willing and able American's ready to take their place?

[ColossalContrarian]

Average pay for them = $27 and hour.

they want to buy more toys and be able to fill up their pickup trucks. HA!

[AlexdeLarge]

Idiots ......................they are lucky to have jobs.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'I')diots ......................they are lucky to have jobs.

[Novus]

The Union is NOT asking for more money. They want Boeing to sign a contract that would make it nearly impossible to lay off workers in the next 3 years. This strike is about Job security and corporate greed that wants to outsource much of the work over seas. The media has very much misrepresented things and if the strike fails it means the country is descending into fascist times. De-industrialization, suppression of labor, and more money for corporate billionaire crooks is where the USA is headed right now.

There needs to be CHANGE.

[ColossalContrarian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he Union is NOT asking for more money. They want Boeing to sign a contract that would make it nearly impossible to lay off workers in the next 3 years. This strike is about Job security and corporate greed that wants to outsource much of the work over seas. The media has very much misrepresented things and if the strike fails it means the country is descending into fascist times. De-industrialization, suppression of labor, and more money for corporate billionaire crooks is where the USA is headed right now.

There needs to be CHANGE.

[ColossalContrarian]

I found this at CNN

"Boeing has a history of rocky labor relations with its unionized workers, who struck three years ago for 28 days. The contract that ended that strike did not include many of the provisions the union had opposed, but it also did not include increases in base wages other than previously-negotiated cost-of-living adjustments.

That contract was reached at a time when airlines with about half of U.S. capacity were in bankruptcy protection and industry losses were continuing to mount."

Kinda seem familar but everything turned out fine last time so maybe it'll be ok this time?

[Keith_McClary]

Boeing just patented a jet engine powered by lasers and nuclear explosions
Jul. 7, 2015
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's how Boeing's new patented engine works. ...

[Tanada]

A few months ago I posted about the fact that Airbus is having problems with the A-380 and Boeing is having troubles with the 747 staying in production.

In the former case they European company bet a substantial portion of the company on mega jumbo jets being the future and designed an aircraft that holds from 500 to 850 passengers depending on how it is configured. To make back their Research and Development costs they knew up front they had to sell a lot of units at a good price, but sales are less than half what they needed to get back their investment in development and production capacity.

At the same time the largest capacity American jet, the venerable Boeing 747, has received a double blow. On the one hand the units they could have sold that were replaced in airline inventories by the A-380 hurt them very badly. On the other hand the airlines because of high fuel prices starting in late 2005 and lasting through 2014 reconfigured their system model from Hub and Spoke and many have replaced it with city to city models. When you use Hub and Spoke the goal is to move large numbers to the hub with a high capacity aircraft and then distribute those passengers with regional aircraft to their final destinations. Turns out passengers are not keen on the hub and spoke because unless you are traveling from one hub to another hub you have to transfer and go through some hassles in the process with timing, potential missed connections, misdirected luggage and so on. Passenger want as close to a direct flight as they can get and the airlines responded by buying smaller aircraft to fly more city to city routes with near capacity flights. If they are NYC to LA flights often a 747 makes sense because there are plenty of people taking that route. On the other hand if it is Detroit, Michigan to say Richmond, Virginia there are still people who want that flight, but not enough to fill a 747 to capacity. In those cases a A-320 or Boeing 737 make a lot more economic sense for the airline.

So Boeing announced a few months ago they have significantly slowed the delivery rate of the remaining 747 orders on their books so that they can justify keeping the building plant going. That means keeping all the manufacturing dies and specialized equipment operating at a low rate and workers on the line familiar with the equipment and procedure on the payroll so that if demand picks back up in 2017 they can resume building at a higher rate. They also indicated if demand doesn't pick up by the end of this year they will consider just finishing production of current orders and closing down future production permanently. That means pulling out the 747 specific equipment and replacing it with equipment for a more popular design, or just scrapping out the 747 plant and closing it permanently.

So with President Elect Trumps recent statements about Boeing and the next generation Air Force One project what are the chances those future orders for 747 will arrive in time to revive production?

Well I think I know the answer. Boeing just singed a deal with Iran worth $16.6 Billion dollars for 80 new passenger jets. 50 Boeing 737 and 30 Boeing 777, zero new 747 to replace the ones already in Iran airlines fleet of aircraft.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ran seals deal with Boeing to buy 80 planes worth $16.6B

By Tribune news services

December 11, 2016, 10:09 PM |TEHRAN, Iran

Iran's flag carrier finalized a major deal with U.S. plane maker Boeing Co. to buy $16.6 billion worth of passenger planes Sunday in one of the most tangible benefits yet for the Islamic Republic from last year's landmark nuclear agreement.

Iran Air's deal for 80 jetliners is the biggest agreement Iran has struck with an American company since the 1979 revolution and U.S. Embassy takeover. It has the potential to transform Iran's creaking and accident-prone aviation industry, which has been hobbled by years of sanctions.

Those curbs have prevented the country from buying new planes from Chicago-based Boeing and European rival Airbus, and in many cases made it difficult for Iranian airlines to secure much-needed spare parts.

The deal covers 50 single-aisle 737 Max 8s, a soon-to-be-introduced version of Boeing's existing narrow-body 737 line.

It also includes 30 777s, a wide-body, twin-engine plane typically used on long-haul routes that is popular with other Persian Gulf carriers such as Dubai-based Emirates. Half of the order will cover the 777-300ER version, while the rest will be of the 777-9 model still under development.

Iran's state-run IRNA news agency said the planes would be delivered over the next decade. The first will start to arrive in 2018, Boeing said.

In September, Washington granted permission to Boeing and Toulouse, France-based Airbus to sell billions of dollars' worth of aircraft to Iran. Airbus needed U.S. approval because at least 10 percent of its planes' components are of American origin.

The U.S. and other world powers agreed last year to lift crippling sanctions on Iran in exchange for it curbing its nuclear activities. The U.S. still maintains extensive sanctions on Iran for activities unrelated to its nuclear program.

President-elect Donald Trump and several Republican lawmakers have criticized the nuclear deal, but it's unclear whether they would scrap the agreement, which was reached with Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China.

Iranian Transport Minister Abbas Akhoundi, who attended the signing ceremony, said it was a "historic" day for Iranian aviation and that the deal would create 8,000 jobs for Iranians.

"The deal has a clear message for the world: we support peace and security as well as the growth of Iran based on a win-win policy," he was quoted as saying. "We hope that despite changes in the U.S. administration, the country will remain loyal to its commitments.

The Republican-led House of Representatives last month voted to bar commercial aircraft sales to Iran in a move that could block the Boeing deal. That legislation must still pass the Senate, where it will likely face opposition from Democrats. U.S. President Barack Obama has said he will veto the bill if it reaches his desk before he leaves office on Jan. 20.

Boeing made a point of saying it worked closely with the U.S. government throughout the deal-making process and will continue to "follow all license requirements." The Iran Air deal "will support tens of thousands of U.S. jobs" linked to the 777s alone, it said.

The plane maker said the deal value was based on list prices, though in practice customers typically negotiate discounts for bulk orders.

Most of Iran's aging fleet of 250 commercial planes was purchased before 1979, and as of June only 162 were operational, with the rest grounded because of a lack of spare parts. Iran Air, whose website lists a fleet of 43 planes, offers direct flights to over 30 international destinations, including London.

Associated Press

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