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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby TreebeardsUncle » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 01:57:06

This bears watching.

Check this Snopes notation showing that claims that Blanco would not call in the feds for fear of being seen as ineffectual or a failure
were actually part of a Republican-orchestrated smear campaign.


http://www.snopes.com/katrina/politics/blanco.asp
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby ReverseEngineer » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 03:52:59

The Disaster Action Committee has been ACTIVATED, and they are READY! They have 700 Schoolbuses ready to Evacuate NO on Friday if Gustav forms up loking nasty for a Hit on Monday. I am SOOO Relieved by this!

Now first off, how many folks returned to NO after Katrina, what is its CURRENT population, does anyone know? Interestingly, though I can't seem to find absolute numbers, its mostly the poor folks who did not return, where they are now I got no idea. http://www.justiceforneworleans.org/ind ... 2d70727013

Anyhow, for analysis purposes, lets say we need transportation out for 100,000 in buses? If each bus carries 60 people, that's 42,000, so in two trips they can evacuate them maybe? Where will they drive them TO? Baton Rouge? They are going to set up a Tent City inside of 3 days in BR? What happens when after making landfall Gustav rolls over BR, somewhat diminished in strength but still unloading just TONS of water on the Tents, if they get put up?

Maybe the Kind People of BR will offer up their homes for Temp Housing for these Refugees? Given after Katrina they had soaring crime problems with those refugess, I find it unlikely the folks in BR are gonna be real happy about the latest flood of humanity to descend on them.

Anyhow, since it seems its mostly dumb White Folks who moved back to NO, they probably don't need Schoolbuses, but can instead pack up their SUVS. Except of course if they were dumb enough to go back there in the first place, they probably have nowhere else to really go, and can they afford hotel rooms again 3 years later and try to rebuild again this time?

I can see the Fox News reports this time, it won't be all those poor blacks who did not return and disappeared somehow on the streets of Houston and other cities, this time we will have sad stories of White Folks sitting on their roofs waiting for Rescue. Fewer of them, and so maybe since they are White the Government really mounts a huge and expensive rescue operation, and Bush is Congratulated for managing the disaster well by saving so many White People. Then the government will make Federal Disaster Insurance available to said White Folks so they can rebuild their restaurants in the French Quarter.

Is the Army Corps of Nincompoops going to come in AGAIN with massive Pumps to drain the Toilet with 1000s of gallons of diesel to run those pumps? Since there are refineries in the area and since the port is economically necessary, they of course WILL try to do this AGAIN. Hard to figure where the money will come from to do it though.

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby CarlosFerreira » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 05:58:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', 'I')nteresting discussions. We, Europeans, only got the media shouting that the inept US Govt. wouldn't help its people. And that Bush was a _________________ (insert swearword).


now that would make TV worth watching.

any web sites that might have this video ?


No video. I was just pointing out that European media was very uncomplimentary to the Bush administration.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby obixman » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 10:06:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Some Guy from Mississippi', 'E')vacuating New Orleans at this time would be absolutely idiotic. Period. There is no way to make an intelligent statement of probability that the hurricane will hit NO or anywhere else at this time with enough confidence to justify an evacuation.


I couldn't give a sh-t less.

My point is, repeated . . .

<i><b>DONT F-CKING CALL ME WHEN IT HITS.</b></i>

That goes for y'all in Mississippi too.

Leave, don't leave, I don't care. Just don't burn 1 cent of my money either way.



OK - then I guess we don't help the people in the west when the fires burn their areas, or when the earthquake hits California. We don't help the Northwest when the next volcano blows. We stop providing water to the basin and range areas and stop with the levees and tornado relief in the midwest. Of course we stop with blizard relief and snow clearing in the north, and we certainly don't help the east coast when hurricanes come ashore again ( New York City especially..)

In fact everyplace needs help some time or other. New Orlean's situation is well known... but it has been rebuilt the same way simply because it's cheaper. the netehrlans provides an example of what needs doing - a hurricane is not that much more weather than a North Sea storm.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby CarlosFerreira » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 11:43:54

Right. It has been thoroughly pointed that New Orleans was built there because of the strategic position. It benefits everyone, and that position may become extremely important again, when shipping in the Mississippi regains importance. PO might bring some lost importance to the old waterways, the ones that were used before the hidden subsidy of oil made transportation by faster means possible and affordable.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby MadScientist » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 11:58:46

Shoot an American?

the last 1 second of the clip says it all.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby eastbay » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 12:02:49

In houses as big as those they residents couldn't find a place to hide their weapons?

Anyhow, that's a very telling video and shows that if this response is generated by a fairly small event, what will the response be in the case of a HUGE event!
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby Revi » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 12:04:24

What are the chances of Gustav making a direct hit? I think pretty small. They have to get ready, but I'll bet it will make landfall someplace else.

It probably won't be a disaster in New Orleans again. It could hit Houston. Then the real problems start. Houston has the ship channel and is the center of oil infrastructure.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby eXpat » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 12:27:21

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby Roccland » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 12:44:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'H')ello Mrs. Konie!, remember us? See photo eXpat's post

For everyone's own saftey of course.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby MadScientist » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 12:54:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')what will the response be in the case of a HUGE event!

That's a good question. I think they could only respond like this in a very limited area. say 5-10 NO sized cities and very limited rural activity.

The size they can handle is limited by two main factors and many other small ones:
1) lack of manpower. Imagine if nearly every city was in a disaster situation. You would not be able to take men from town01 to send to town 02 because they are needed at town01. just remember- 50 states, most bigger and meaner than the entire country of Iraq.

2)The whole "Shoot an American" idea. Gonna cause massive ethical issues among the troops. Even before someone's wife or friend gets shot and they decide to get their buddies and start shooting back. You could feel how uneasy the Natl guard was about their mission in that video.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby Roccland » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 12:59:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')what will the response be in the case of a HUGE event!
That's a good question. I think they could only respond like this in a very limited area. say 5-10 NO sized cities and very limited rural activity.
The size they can handle is limited by two main factors and many other small ones:
1) lack of manpower. Imagine if nearly every city was in a disaster situation. You would not be able to take men from town01 to send to town 02 because they are needed at town01. just remember- 50 states, most bigger and meaner than the entire country of Iraq.
2) The whole "Shoot an American" idea. Gonna cause massive ethical issues among the troops. Even before someone's wife or friend gets shot and they decide to get their buddies and start shooting back. You could feel how uneasy the Natl guard was about their mission in that video.

Mike Ruppert is right..."let um' burn"...

I have a cop friend (also a very high up NCO in the Nat G.) -
At dinner a few weeks back when I asked what the plan was he said:
1) there really is no plan
2) to address #1 = "containment"

Just as Mike Ruppert said. IOW - you are on your own.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby sittinguy » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 13:40:37

They can't leave they have to stand out there in the storm and make sure their mailbox doesen't blow away,,, screw the house
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby TheDude » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 13:42:52

Gun Confiscation In New Orleans
The first vid has a clip of cops slamming an old lady to the ground and delivering punches.
Katrina inspires bans on gun seizures
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the days after Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans police went door to door and confiscated guns from citizens in an effort to counter chaos and crime in the wrecked city.
But gun advocates saw the seizures as an infringement on constitutional rights and said never again.
The actions of the New Orleans police have inspired 13 states, including Louisiana, to enact laws to keep state and local officials from taking guns during a state of emergency, such as after a natural disaster or terrorist attack. President Bush also signed a bill in October that would penalize states financially for illegally confiscating guns during an emergency.

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby Arsenal » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 13:57:11

What blows me away is they had to make a law to explicitly saying they can't take your guns during an emergency.

2nd Amendment
4th Amendment...

Have any of these lawmakers ever READ the Constitution/Bill of Rights??

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby Roccland » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 14:09:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arsenal', 'W')hat blows me away is they had to make a law to explicitly saying they can't take your guns during an emergency.
2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment...
Have any of these lawmakers ever READ the Constitution/Bill of Rights??

No - and according to O'reilly those that are constitutionalist (i.e. lefties) are the criminals.

Won't be long before we hear things like:
The US Constitution is outdated...it needs to be amended...to reflect...ummm...where we are at...you know...climate change and PO...so ...whattya say...we are all in this boat together...right?
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 16:20:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arsenal', 'W')hat blows me away is they had to make a law to explicitly saying they can't take your guns during an emergency. 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment... Have any of these lawmakers ever READ the Constitution/Bill of Rights??
No - and according to O'reilly those that are constitutionalist (i.e. lefties)

When it comes to the 2nd amendment, lefties aren't constitutionalists. Lefties are the ones who want to ignore the 2nd amendment and limit gun rights.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby burtonridr » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 16:22:17

Jeebus! I had no idea this happened WTF!!!

I cant make the video work right.... here is the link link
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby green_achers » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 15:11:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'H')ope you're right or you're going to look a little silly!$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'S')uch hysteria.

Well, I am right that most of the posts in this thread are a bunch of hysteria. It is starting to look like the storm might be a threat, but it's still too early to know where it might land. Evacuating NO two days ago would have looked a little silly, wouldn't it?
... I stand corrected on the subsidence issue, but subsidence is still not the reason parts of NO are below sea level, and the rest of my statement on that point is pretty much still accurate. ...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tilt houses have been built in the South, in the Florida Keys for instance.

Adding elevation to new construction on the Coast has been pretty much part of every discussion that has been had since Katrina. I inherited a house that was built 14 feet off the ground. It still got 6 feet of water in it. If you ask me, they never sould have been allowed to build there in the first place, but that was 20 years ago.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')lope workers go up for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off back home.

You're talking about a few oil rig workers, I assume. They do the same thing on the rigs in the gulf. We're talking about a major city here.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('A spoiled two-year-old', 'D')ONT F-CKING CALL ME WHEN IT HITS. That goes for y'all in Mississippi too. Leave, don't leave, I don't care. Just don't burn 1 cent of my money either way.
Like it or not, you're part of this country, too, and you can't afford for one of the major commerce hubs to be taken out. Yeah, 90% of what they'll do after the next disaster will be as wasteful and stupid as it was after Katrina. Maybe one of these times they'll get it right, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Postby ReverseEngineer » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 20:01:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')lope workers go up for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off back home.
You're talking about a few oil rig workers, I assume. They do the same thing on the rigs in the gulf. We're talking about a major city here.

You don't have to restaff the whole city, just the docks, warehouses and refineries. A skeleton Crew of maybe 10-20,000? They could ship them in and out using the same 700 schoolbuses they are shipping them out with in the Evac :-)
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