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I like to examine such ideas by looking at fiction stories.
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Convergance and impact of issues
Re: Convergance and impact of issues
by setag » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 17:50:09
Too easy! The science fiction stories are mostly filled with issues of the fate of man or the fate of the universe. I enjoy reading a little SF. You can destroy the entire universe and then create some technology to rebuild it again. ( Good choices by the way
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I like to examine such ideas by looking at current events or the aftermath of events in today's world. The worse ethnic cleansing and genocide in Europe since World War II has taken place in Bosnia and the struggle to rebuild continues today, Darfur crisis needs no explanation, New Orleans in the States still struggles to survive in areas & crime increases every month, we have children going to bed every night ( all over the world ) without food or a hug, etc., etc. IF we can't band together now, how will we ever band together after Peak Oil?
How will we ever band together? Most likely we will not, and unfortunately we have the technological weapons available in far too many hands to destroy our fragile home planet and do not for one minute my new friend, think government or madmen will not use it to take what ever resource they or he may want.
Again, unless we sit around the table and share bread both in our communities and on the international stage for real solutions to identify the challenges, consider the solutions, develop a plan, and implement the plan; hope for tomorrow will only be found in science fiction books.
BTW DrBang { cool name}
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Re: Convergance and impact of issues
by DrBang » Fri 22 Jun 2007, 02:17:50
Dr Bang is my call sign from my staff. I did my PhD in explosives. The art of turning big things into little things. Most of the time I break rocks. I have been know to diversify though. '[smilie=blob8.gif]'
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From Setag:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') like to examine such ideas by looking at current events or the aftermath of events in today's world. The worse ethnic cleansing and genocide in Europe since World War II has taken place in Bosnia and the struggle to rebuild continues today, Darfur crisis needs no explanation, New Orleans in the States still struggles to survive in areas & crime increases every month, we have children going to bed every night ( all over the world ) without food or a hug, etc., etc. IF we can't band together now, how will we ever band together after Peak Oil?
How will we ever band together? Most likely we will not, and unfortunately we have the technological weapons available in far too many hands to destroy our fragile home planet and do not for one minute my new friend, think government or madmen will not use it to take what ever resource they or he may want.
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From Setag:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') like to examine such ideas by looking at current events or the aftermath of events in today's world. The worse ethnic cleansing and genocide in Europe since World War II has taken place in Bosnia and the struggle to rebuild continues today, Darfur crisis needs no explanation, New Orleans in the States still struggles to survive in areas & crime increases every month, we have children going to bed every night ( all over the world ) without food or a hug, etc., etc. IF we can't band together now, how will we ever band together after Peak Oil?
How will we ever band together? Most likely we will not, and unfortunately we have the technological weapons available in far too many hands to destroy our fragile home planet and do not for one minute my new friend, think government or madmen will not use it to take what ever resource they or he may want.
Yes well there is no real argument against that. There is a whole lot of tarck record to suggest that things will get pretty crappy. Especially if certain groups have a history (like in Yugoslavia). Anyone with anything genuine to contribute to the new world, retreat and let the psychos sort them selves out. Not that anything else is an option as they desperately want to do just that. Once the restraints of civilisation are removed, then all the talk in the world then becomes irrelevant. Yes things will get really ugly. Us humans will really shock oursleves with how low we can go. ('[smilie=mumum.gif]')
mumum
My hope is that small pockets of people will survive and start to pick up the pieces. We can't all go crazy at the same time (I hope). Probably well away from existing large population masses. Anyone sitting on anything percieved to be valuable like oil or a power generation plant will become a target.
There will (I hope) be small groups of people who retreat away form all of that and let the ferals fight it out. After a set time period, those who think trying to kill each other may just cull their own numbers (its a long shot but I like it). Its possible we also may suprise ourselves in this context. ('[smilie=violent1.gif]')
violent1
Yes govts will do all sorts of stupid things with their box of dangerous toys. If they start up on a wide spread nuclear exchange then all of this is academic. Anything else, while really bad and will literally destroy a lot of infrastructure, won't necessarily take out the entire human race. ('[smilie=new_asthanos.gif]')
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Growing up will not be pleasant. Time to learn certain things the hard way. I guess this makes me a doomer with hope and belief in the human condition? ('[smilie=book1.gif]')
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Re: Convergance and impact of issues
by setag » Fri 22 Jun 2007, 14:10:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DrBang', 'D')r Bang is my call sign from my staff.
Growing up will not be pleasant. Time to learn certain things the hard way. I guess this makes me a doomer with hope and belief in the human condition? ('[smilie=book1.gif]')
Growing up will not be pleasant. Time to learn certain things the hard way. I guess this makes me a doomer with hope and belief in the human condition? ('[smilie=book1.gif]')
We could go on, but neither of us doubts that the world in which we live is on the brink of fundamental change and I appreciate the inspiration you have given me.
While I too am new to this forum, I welcome you and look forward to more conversations in the future...........
BTW Do you work for a mining company?
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Re: Convergance and impact of issues
by DrBang » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 02:45:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')TW Do you work for a mining company?
Kind of. I work in a mining research outfit in Brisbane, about half way up the research food chain. Here is my story:
Bach of App Sc in Physics and Geology. I had no clear idea of what to do so I kept all options open. I trained among other things in radiation and health physics to work in the nuclear industry. It looked like that all the countires around Australia were going nuclera so this made sense. Instead I found gainfull employment in the mining industry. I worked in the coal exploration geophysics in remote locations. Then I did a PhD in blasting (the art of blow shit up). Now I work in a world class research outfit.
I am in an interesting position. I am starting up enivronmental based mining research. I also have ambitions of taking the mining research into industrial scale recycling. I believe I am in the right place at the right time to make a very real difference.
As a direct consequence I wish to be as switched on as possible. Ideas I may have have to survive as the time coming will be challenging. There will be no room for dumb decisions. One of the reasons I joined this forum was to not only educate myself but test the strength and longeivity of certain ideas of mine.
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