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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby Nicholai » Mon 25 Aug 2008, 22:32:17

I might briefly mention it as a theory in class but don't delve into it.

A person has to be raised a certain way in order to understand, accept, and rationally act when confronted with peak oil. Tease them with the concept and those that are capable will sniff out the trail from there on. Hammering the concept in to a bunch of folks who think the world is still infinite will only give you problems.
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby mos6507 » Mon 25 Aug 2008, 23:38:52

I think it's a teacher's job to teach facts and it's a parent's job to teach values and good decisionmaking. If a teacher is trying to teach values then they are carrying out some kind of social engineering experiment. I got a fair amount of that in school, having to read holocaust novels, George Orwell, To Kill a Mockingbird, etc... Even if I agreed with the message, I despised feeling like I was being preached to.

This is the fine line that must be tread. If you watch the Bartlett lecture, he makes no recommendations. He simply presents the facts and leaves the "what to do about it" part to the students. That's the way to do it. You have to leave your ideological biases out of it.
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby AnIowan » Tue 26 Aug 2008, 15:29:35

Great thread with many interesting replies...I love the ability to communicate globally about local topics like that.

I'm a sixth grade science teacher, and we will be doing some discussing about PO in the context of alternative energy sources. Last year, we talked about it briefly, and had some great discussions about what exactly "peak" anything meant (some talked in peak sunlight during growing seasons and that really hit for some students who are farmers anyway).

I'd agree that with topics like this, the facts are presented, and it's up to the parents to work with the "what ifs" that will come up, and they will come up.

Great ideas for other ways to teaching this as well that I will be using in my lessons this year! :)
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby allenwrench » Tue 26 Aug 2008, 16:24:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StevenSlaughter', 'H')ello All. New to this board and relatively new to awareness of PO. I'd like your opinions on something. I am a public school teacher, teaching fifth grade. I also have an ecology club that does a lot of gardening, etc. In the past few years, I've been teaching my students how to garden, about wind power, worm composting, non-petrol cars, etc.

So this year starts in just a couple of weeks and I've been wondering how best to communicate PO to my students (and, inevitably, their parents), if at all. The issue is really their age. If I taught highschool, I wouldn't even hesitate, but we're talking about 10-11 yr. olds (younger for my ecology club). Those of you who haven't been around kids lately, or since you were one may think of an 11 yr. old as a tiny little twerp. I will say that, while they are young, at this age, they can think, discuss, and write at a level far higher than you might imagine. They have been made aware of environmental issues much earlier than any of us were as children, and they are deeply concerned about it all. In fact, their awareness is quite a burden for them to bear.

Still, they are children and, as a parent myself of a 5, 7, and 10 yr. old, I am a firm believer in deferring to parents on sensitive topics. Unlike some progressive educators, I respect parent's rights on many subjects.

So...how and what to expose them to at this age? If any of you are elementary teachers, what have you done? Parents...what about with your own kids?

One strategy I've been considering is to include PO in the broader list of other environmental and energy topics while avoiding the doomsday scenarios. At the same time, I am thinking, "What real-world skills will benefit them the most?" As such, I've been thinking of approaching some of my science units from the perspective of pre-industrial tools. For example, while I have seen the teaching of physics by building things like model rollercoasters (really fun, but not all that practical), perhaps it would be more useful to teach them by studying, and maybe building models of, things like water wheels, mills, windmills, solar air and water heaters/collectors, horse-powered plows, and of course gardening, etc. You could learn the principal of the lever with a ruler and a textbook, but maybe kids will one day need to pry boulder out of a field, so learning about the lever in this way would be more helful in the long term.

Anyway, I'd welcome your thoughts and ideas.

Warm Regards,

Steven Slaughter
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5th graders are tough Steven.

I use stickers to educate the sheeple.

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I guess if it was me I'd casually say all our lives are going to change big time and mix it up with renewable. But would really put more of such effort in the parents if they come to see you.

In any case, kids love stickers o print some out. (OK...maybe not the last one)



Good luck.
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby HEADER_RACK » Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:23:46

Teach them critical thinking.
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby StevenSlaughter » Tue 26 Aug 2008, 19:34:08

Once again, thank you all for your fantastic ideas.

Thanks the sticker ideas. With shortening attention spans, I think sticker/soundbite-driven curricula is the wave of the future. I've been looking for some decoration for my room, and that last street sign design is just the thing for my door. Big!

AnIowan,
One alternative energy resource we used last year and I plan to expand this year are simple wind turbines that can be made out of some custom and mostly standard items. The towers are PVC (dry-fit so they can break down), which I had the kids cut and assemble. The motor is attached to a tinker toy type hub which hand screws to receive a number of dowels. The other end of the motor attaches to wires running down the inside of the PVC to a multimeter. The kids design, test, and modify fan blades to learn what generates the most juice. They totally love it. It can be done outside or with box fans. Kits and individual items can be found at kidwind.org.

I'm also thinking of having my science club build a generator bike. Its built from scratch rather than from an old exercycle, and can power lightbulbs, TVs, etc. I thought it would be cool to have it in class and have kids peddle to run our overhead projector or a laptop station, (or to charge up my iPod), etc. I found a design I like at:
http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html

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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby allenwrench » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 19:15:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StevenSlaughter', 'O')nce again, thank you all for your fantastic ideas.

Thanks the sticker ideas. With shortening attention spans, I think sticker/soundbite-driven curricula is the wave of the future. I've been looking for some decoration for my room, and that last street sign design is just the thing for my door. Big!

AnIowan,
One alternative energy resource we used last year and I plan to expand this year are simple wind turbines that can be made out of some custom and mostly standard items. The towers are PVC (dry-fit so they can break down), which I had the kids cut and assemble. The motor is attached to a tinker toy type hub which hand screws to receive a number of dowels. The other end of the motor attaches to wires running down the inside of the PVC to a multimeter. The kids design, test, and modify fan blades to learn what generates the most juice. They totally love it. It can be done outside or with box fans. Kits and individual items can be found at kidwind.org.

I'm also thinking of having my science club build a generator bike. Its built from scratch rather than from an old exercycle, and can power lightbulbs, TVs, etc. I thought it would be cool to have it in class and have kids peddle to run our overhead projector or a laptop station, (or to charge up my iPod), etc. I found a design I like at:
http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html

Steven



Yes, good to mix it up with renewables and PO.

Also get em interested in food production. Grow stuff in class or your yard if you have dirt.

Beside PO we may have food shortages in our future irrespective of PO. With the recent food shortages in the news I have to wonder as Richard Heinberg brought up "Who will be growing our food 20 years from now?"

"The average American farmer is 55 to 60 years old. The proportion of full time farmers younger than 35 years of age has dropped from 15.9% in 1982 to 5.8% in 2002. Who will be growing our food 20 years from now?" from "Peak Everything" by Richard Heinberg

"Amish farmers can't compete in conventual agriculture farming. 40 years ago 90% to 95% of the Amish were farmers. Today less than 10% are farmers." Ffrom: "How the Amish Survive" DVD

We have been worshiping the wrong God all these years. We should have been making farmers our God.

We should have been worshiping the farmer and doing everything we could to make their life a better one and kiss their asses for producing healthy and nutritious food for us.

Our food supply has degenerated unbelievably in recent years and getting worse every day that goes by. A societies well-being is based on healthy food that the farmer produces.

Just as cows go mad with poisonous, unnatural diet - so will society.

People will be headed off the deep end more and more as global warming starts to cook us, the oil and natural gas dries up and our excessive desires cannot be fulfilled any longer.

If the poison food does not drive us crazy, the salty and unnatural combinations and nutritionally bankrupt content will do the job as we get cooked from the inside with EMF and radio wave radiation for every direction.

The food being fed to us is factory made, genetically engineered, poison. But besides the greed for money, the drive for GMO food is that of necessity. We are overpopulated and our land is devoid of nutrition so they monkey with the food to try and keep pace with the insatiable demands of feeding the US.

In addition, there are not enough farmers in the US to feed us any other way than the way they do now. If the US went to organic farming with the same amount of farmers we have now - we would starve to death.

"In 1935, the number of farms in the United States peaked at 6.8 million as the population edged over 127 million citizens. There are over 285,000,000 people living in the United States. Of that population, less than 1% claim farming as an occupation."

http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/demographics.html

If we look at the trends of farming in the US it goes in just one direction ... DOWN.

Much of the citrus groves in Fla and CA are disappearing due to skyrocketing real estate values. You know farming is tough work and many times nature deals you a blow with disease, pests and inclement weather that destroys crops.

So why would a farmer want to put up with all that when they could get $5,000,0000 or $10,000,000 for prime real estate?

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... 90345.html

http://www.californiagreensolutions.com ... ntent=1039

It is really a tough life 'just finding' some decent food to eat nowadays unless you happen to live in a town with a good natural grocer and have lots of money. But money is still no guarantee. I bought some 'organic peaches' last summer at Krogers for $3 a pound...they rotted before the ripened ....went straight in the trash.

When I was a kid growing up in L.A. we could pick apricots from a tree in the alley and they had fabulous flavor even when somewhat green. What do you get now with apricots...tasteless rubber for $3 a pound.

The peaches have lost their fuzz since they are picked green, buffed and waxed with poisons and anti fungals. You can't wash it off either.

Soak a buffed peach in water and you will get a rainbow oil slick on the surface of the water composed of poison...no matter how many times you rinse it. Each summer I make it my mission to try and find a few edible peaches with the fuzz still on them...I usually fail unless I drive great distances and luck into a 'real' farmers market. (I've noticed some roadside farmers stands just buy their produce in normal channels to resell)

We will run out of natural gas, just as we deplete our crude supplies in the near future. Our population boom was fueled by synthetic fertilizers made from natural; gas. Once the natural gas dries up so does the fertilizer and a shortage of fertilizer equals a shortage of food...aka STARVATION!

http://www.amazon.com/High-Noon-Natural ... 1931498539

I think we have a real food crisis brewing for the world. Not enough young farmers replacing the old, we will run low of fertilizer as the NG dries up and that food which is grown is devoid of nutrition and not healthy.
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby AnIowan » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 21:34:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso get em interested in food production. Grow stuff in class or your yard if you have dirt.


That's the plan either this year or next. I know that Organic Gardening has a grant program for elementary schools to purchase supplies, seeds, and other stuff (I'll see if I can find the link).

If that doesn't work, I'll be contacting the local CSA to see if they'll sponsor a garden or a portion of it.

Of course, I'll have to get it approved via administrative channels first, which right now might work as we are suddenly big into "place based" activities (which have been going on for years)...:roll:
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby StevenSlaughter » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 08:25:48

A couple of notes on gardens/growing. Hopefully you have lots of green space to site a garden. We didn't, having a play yard, but virtually all of it being asphalt. We got some excellent compost and built raised beds right on the asphalt. Because the compost was so good, things grew amazingly well anyway. Not an issue if you have enough grass to tear up. Another consideration is that in the midwest, the growing season is really cooking during the summer. In my garden, this required weekly meetings with my ecology club to tend the garden. It wasn't a big burden -- we had a timer drip irrigation system, so all it was was about 30 or 40 minutes of light weeding, harvesting and then we'd go play tag or something on the playground. I usually brought my own kids over and we did it in the evening after the heat of the day.

Another option that I've done and plan to kickstart again this school year is growing sprouts and salad greens on a growing rack. I saw that you can buy these custom growing racks from educational gardening catalogs, but they're like $800. Instead, I bought a big heavy-duty wire rack and shop lights. For $120, I have about twice the growing space than those educational supply catalog ones. I've found that kids actually love the sprouts (especially sunflower sprouts) and they are really rich in nutrients. They also grow quickly, can be harvested, and replanted. And the system can be beautifully integrated with worm composting in a cool closed-loop. The sprout growing mix is worm castings and coir (shredded coconut husks) or peat; when the sprouts are harvested, the mix (now held together with threadlike roots) is dumped into the worm bin. They convert it into rich worm castings very quickly, and can be replanted with a fresh tray of sprouts. I met a guy who used this system large-scale and was an indoor, urban farmer for high-end restaurants, growing "micro-greens", those frilly little young lettuce and sprout mixes, and selling it to restaurants for $32/lb. Very cool operation.

Anyway, it is really doable method that is cheap and can be done in a corner of your classroom or, in my class, our coat closet.

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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby madpaddler » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 08:35:13

Do you have any photos of your growing rack you built?
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby AnIowan » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 13:06:57

Heck, I'd like to see pictures of all your operations if you don't mind. It would give me some starting point as I put some things together.
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Re: What to Tell My Students?

Postby StevenSlaughter » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 08:19:37

Sure, I'll try to track down some pictures. They are sort of spread around on different computers, jump drives, etc. I haven't kept a careful archive of all of my teaching photos. (Probably a good project to pull them all together in one place, though.) Can I post them on this board or do I need to use some other site and provide a link to them here?

Steven

p.s. Ahh! School starts Tuesday! Classroom not ready yet! Mind and plan not ready yet!
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