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Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby green_achers » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 16:43:01

I'm sick to death of misinformed speculation (edited after my blood stopped boiling). I hardly know where to begin.

Evacuating New Orleans at this time would be absolutely idiotic. Period. There is no way to make an intelligent statement of probability that the hurricane will hit NO or anywhere else at this time with enough confidence to justify an evacuation. Do you think full evacuations of a major metropolitan area is something you do at the drop of a hat? Do you think there aren't severe disruptions of people's lives and costs incurred every time you do that?

So what if you abandon NO because armchair generalissimos at Peakoil.com think you ought to and the storm hits Houston instead? Or Pensacola or Mobile? Jeez, you folks have worse strategic sense than Donald Rumsfeld.

NO is not lower than it used to be because of subsidence. The old section (aka the French Quarter) never flooded during Katrina. the low sections of town were built on years after the city was settled as a result of population growth.

There are a lot of low areas of southern Louisiana that are losing ground because of the changes in the Mississippi River flow regime, but not NO.

NO is where it is because it is on the lower terminus of one of the major shipping arteries in the world. If you don't want NO there, call it something else, but there will be a city there as long as there are industrial humans on the North American continent.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby Muckingfess » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 17:01:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MidwesternMom', 'A')nd if you have a 2 day old baby, don't cry to the media that you don't have any formula to feed it, brestfeed it it for God's sake!

I will never forget seeing that on tv, oh i just wanted to scream!


I remember here in Texas, one of the items they were requesting a t the Astrodome was African American hair care products. I've just lost my home and have to have specific hair care products. Jeesh!
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby burtonridr » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 17:21:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'I')'m sick to death of misinformed speculation (edited after my blood stopped boiling). I hardly know where to begin.

Evacuating New Orleans at this time would be absolutely idiotic. Period....


I dont think anyone was suggesting to evacuate "at this time"... We were suggesting they evacuate if the hurricane is going to hit. The reason we are making such a big deal about evacuating is because when katrina hit not many people took the threat seriously.

Lol they will this time... And more than likely nothing will happen, thats just how things work right? :lol:
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby fletch_961 » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 17:28:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nteresting discussions. We, Europeans, only got the media shouting that the inept US Govt. wouldn't help its people. And that Bush was a _________________ (insert swearword).


I have long felt that we should give the city back to the French. The media didn't seem to feel that people who live under sea level should have a personal evacuation plan. The media didn't feel the local government should have an emergency plan. The people of that city reelected their mayor. The media didn't report the State of Louisiana's failure.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he scope and magnitude of the disaster, which covers an area the size of Great Britain, still had not been realized by Governor Blanco who steadfastly refused to declare martial law and officially request that the federal government "send in the troops."

It has come to light that all during the night on Friday, September 2, the president of the United States was forced to "negotiate" with Governor Blanco for the lives of the suffering and dying people of New Orleans. She feared that allowing the federal government to take control would make her administration appear as though it had failed. How she would be judged was more important to her than the lives of those people who were dying in the squalor. How many died as Blanco maneuvered to protect her reputation?

The Posse Comitatus Act prevents, by federal law, the president of the United States from sending federal troops into any state without the direct request of the elected governor of that state. A frustrated President Bush could only stand by and watch as the horror unfolded until he received the request for help. Despite the finger-pointing at President Bush, there was little that he could do until he was formally asked for assistance.



Sure the Bush administration and FEMA deserve criticism, but I place most of it a little closer to where it belongs. Link

I lost all sympathy for them when they reelected Nagin.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby r101958 » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 17:47:53

Well, the folks of New Orleans saw fit to re-elect Ray Nagin. Let's see if he learned anything from his past experience. If the hurricane ends up tracking as currently predicted then I truly hope that we don't see any more pictures such as the one displayed above (the unused mass transportation).
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby roccman » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 17:59:51

Dear Citizens of NO,

Please stay put - we need more practice.

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 18:05:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'I')'m going to post a map of Gustav's most likely path. You'll note that it is headed right for New Orleans. Predicted landfall in Monday. That gives you 5 days.

You have no excuses. Leave now, or make plans to leave in the next 3 days.



I am going to be even more harsh...

you have had three years!! Even if you are a simple person and did not see the threat before Katrina you have absolutely no excuse afterwards. I understand love of where you are from. I love where I am from but I also understood that for love of family and self I could not make a go at living there. Trying to make a go in New Orleans is worse, it could get you killed in the decades to come.

You have wasted three years. Sell everything you have. Find a 1984 Chevy truck on craigslist for cheap and a topper camper for free. Drive North, East or West. Take the first job you can get and do it with eagerly until you can find something that pays better. Find a local YMCA or Dorthy Day center to use the shower.

Kiss the butt of your boss, do what they tell you, work your way up to a 500 sq foot apartment. Maybe take some classes at a tech school until you can pull down a little better pay.

Talk longingly of NO. Tell your children about it. Make up glorious lies about it being a shang-li-la that it ain't, I don't care. But get out...

...or imagine what it will be like to watch your children die there.

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby green_achers » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 18:26:14

Such hysteria.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby Quinny » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 18:34:50

Hope you're right or you're going to look a little silly!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'S')uch hysteria.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 18:38:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '[')img]http://www.wetmaap.org/Chimney_Rock/Supplement/cl_background_files/image003.jpg[/img]

Not a static geographic feature by any means.


I LOVE this map, the lobe furthest west is where the Mississippi has been trying to go since the 1940's but where it has been prevented from going by the USACE! The Old River Controll Structures built at the confluence of the Red and Mississippi where the Atchafalaya forms are the ONLY thing keeping the Mississippi in its current channel.

Nature wants to go west down the Atchafalaya distributary channel and reform lobe 1. Only our Hubris prevents this from happening. Sooner or later nature always wins, no matter what structures they keep building.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 18:45:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'N')O is not lower than it used to be because of subsidence. The old section (aka the French Quarter) never flooded during Katrina. the low sections of town were built on years after the city was settled as a result of population growth.

There are a lot of low areas of southern Louisiana that are losing ground because of the changes in the Mississippi River flow regime, but not NO.


Wrong-O: Geology News: Rebuilding New Orleans - Subsidence and Sea Level Rise

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew Orleans is sinking two inches per decade, and it is anticipated that it will sink roughly one meter in the next 100 years relative to mean sea level.


Stilt houses have been built in the South, in the Florida Keys for instance.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 18:50:41

NO because of its location at the mouth of the Mighty Mississippi cannot be dispensed with as a Port. However, environmental conditions are such these days its a poor place for people to actually LIVE all the time. So how do you fullfill both the need to have a Port there and the need to not have a city there?

You do it like we do up here on the North Slope. Slope workers go up for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off back home. Of course this is a more expensive way to do business than having your workforce local, but given you have little other choice here, this is how it has to be done.

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 18:55:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'S')uch hysteria.


That is what people said 5 years ago, when diesel was ~$1.00 a gallon and I was concerned enough about the future to buy a 48mpg diesel Golf.

Sometimes "hysteria" is wisdom.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 19:34:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')There is nothing in Gustav's path that will hinder development.
There is a strong probability that it will be a Category 3 storm by the time
it enters the Gulf, and it has the potential to strengthen into a Category 4 or 5
storm over the Gulf.” - AccuWeather Senior Meteorologist, John Kocet



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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby Cashmere » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 22:07:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Some Guy from Mississippi', 'E')vacuating New Orleans at this time would be absolutely idiotic. Period. There is no way to make an intelligent statement of probability that the hurricane will hit NO or anywhere else at this time with enough confidence to justify an evacuation.


I couldn't give a sh-t less.

My point is, repeated . . .

<i><b>DONT F-CKING CALL ME WHEN IT HITS.</b></i>

That goes for y'all in Mississippi too.

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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 22:14:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'S')uch hysteria.


That is what people said 5 years ago, when diesel was ~$1.00 a gallon and I was concerned enough about the future to buy a 48mpg diesel Golf.

Sometimes "hysteria" is wisdom.


Positive and hitting home. Plus I love the car.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby Micki » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 22:29:06

Did people of New Orleans ever get their confiscated weapons back? I like to remember I read somewhere that they never got them back.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby Roccland » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 22:38:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'D')id people of New Orleans ever get their confiscated weapons back? I like to remember I read somewhere that they never got them back.


I'd like to know why they were confiscated.

Would seem to me if the cops had guns...the civies should too.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 22:49:32

these maps show the ocean temperature, at the surface.

http://www.maineharbors.com/weather/seatemp4.htm

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/egof.html

i don't remember how this compares to Katrina.

some meteorologists say temps. above 80 F add energy to a storm ... that's the short version.
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Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Wed 27 Aug 2008, 22:52:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', 'I')nteresting discussions. We, Europeans, only got the media shouting that the inept US Govt. wouldn't help its people. And that Bush was a _________________ (insert swearword).


now that would make TV worth watching.

any web sites that might have this video ?
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