[joelcolorado]

I believe in the right to carry, just not the right of a lot of folks to carry Some ppl scare me to pieces. hah.

Pull out that gun and look down the barrel and shoot another human. Not so easy. And with the courts like they are, you will probably end up being someones girlfriend in prison.

If you pull it out, its not a veiled threat,. Remember that. Youhave to be ready to not wound someone but to kill them DEAD>

[ROCKMAN]

I usually just carried when I was in the field ( in S TX especially). Some very lonely scary spots down there. Again, not a high probability of needing it but when it's 3 AM and you're opening a gate in the dark you do get jumpy. The problem then might be similar to what some of the worse case doomers envision: desperate folks (illegal’s) with no food/water just trying to survive and the really bad guys (dope smugglers) who don't want any witnesses. I always carried then (quasi-legal). Even in big bad ass Houston I seldom feel a threat. But walking into a convenience store (a Stop&Rob as we call them) in a very bad neighborhood at 1 AM I would feel better with it under my belt then under the seat of the truck. At home I still stick with the 12 guage. The sound of that pump action in the dark would generally scare the pee out of most folks and get them running. I’d much rather clean of that pee trail then a blood trail.

That’s the reason I don’t pick on the doomers too bad. Build your supplies, electrify your fence, etc, even if the odds are against the extreme possibilities. If it gives them some confidence and lessens the anxiety so much the better. Unfortunately, I think it heightens that anxiety for some of them.

[Spanktron9]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Farknight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')eah special forces are certainly a different breed. Perhaps I was wrong on this topic, but I certainly believe a lot of people in the military live in a very sheltered world. My only experience was as a reservist in the Australian Army. The regulars I met and trained with were often some of the most pathetic individuals I've ever met. Very good at being infantry, just had absolutely no idea about anything else.

[Bubba_Green]

I want us to put more CO2 into the atmosphere while using up the rest of the fossil fuels still in the earth for the next 3 centuries, as well as, drink more beer and get fatter.

[ROCKMAN]

Bubba Green: a man with a plan. And, unfortunately, the only really workable one I've seen outlined so far.

[joelcolorado]

Every time I read this topic headline, I get so pissed off as I cannot imagine ANYONE in their right mind wanting this to happen sooner etc.

Dont you understand how many ppl will suffer horribly, children starving and crying in the night, women watching them die in their arms. Good grief

[ROCKMAN]

Joel,

That's just the body count. Haven't you read enough history to learn how easy it is for man to ignore such trivial computations when it comes to self interest? At twice your age I'm accustomed to that thought process. That doesn't make it anymore palatable...just more easily predictable. After involving myself with discussions here and elsewhere for the last few months I've pretty well lost much interest in the mechanics of PO per se. Now, my focus cannot escape the political/military ramifications which will result just by approaching PO. I don't try to predict how this future picture will play out in detail...too many human elements IMO. I don't consider myself a doomer for having such negative expectations. But I have seen no reason to expect man's nature to have changed much from its pattern over the last few thousand years.

[joelcolorado]

I have no idea what it shows for my age, just dont go thru the whole deal when signing up. But I am 52. I do think we will rise to the occasion however. I have MORE faith in mankind when faced with impossiblities.

Having been in horrible situations with no chance of escape and seeing men rise up and cause a change to happen, gives me faith in US>

I for one, will not give in, will not quit, will not roll over. So either lead, follow or get out of the way cuz there are some of us who will make this work IN SPITE Of the obstacles. Hell, I like a challenge like that and it doesnt scare me a bit. THE WORST that can happen is you die. And that isnt the end but only the beginning too.

[ROCKMAN]

Good for you Joel. I really am glad to see optimism anywhere even if I don't share it entirely. Somehwere along the way I thought you were in your late 20's. And I hope you expectations beat my flat out. I also have great respect for man's resourcefulness when faced with a crisis. But I also have great respect for many of our specie who can put their self intersts above that of theirs regardless of the price.

Agian, I sincerely hope you win the bet.

[Man_of_the_house]

Yeah I have been waiting for the time to unveil my post PO identity . Wait till you guys getta load of my Mad Max getup to combat the marauding hoards.