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Peak Oil Is a Scam to Promote World Depopulation

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 10:44:03

I have been trolling this board for a while and I have performed a search, and I couldn't find a discussion regarding this article. Please comment.

If there is a thread on this article, then just forward me to that thread. Thanks!

http://www.the7thfire.com/peak_oil/peak ... lation.htm

Note this was written October 12, 2004
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Unread postby Egon_1 » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 11:12:55

David McGowan is a quack. Just look at all the (different) conspiracy stories he pomotes.
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Unread postby crude_intentions » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 11:18:24

Reading that site has really put my Mind at ease. Now I understand its not Peak Oil we have to worry about. But the nefarious plots of the New World Order and the Illuminati :roll:
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Unread postby aahala » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 11:35:09

Depending on one's viewpoint, the great or bad thing about the internet is that anyone with a few bucks and token knowledge can put a website up, expressing their view, not bound by reality, not bound by physical laws and hardly bound by our imagination.

I've seen webpages claiming the author was subjected to anal probes by aliens, a missle rather than a plane hit the Pentagon and that all species are exactly the way they were a billion years ago.

What's a feller to think? :-D
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Unread postby CarnbY » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 12:24:22

The guy obviously seems like an idiot, but is it correct that Saudi oil reserves are 1.2 trillion barrels, as opposed to 261 billion as previously thought? Wouldn't that in itself make the PO situation irrelevant for a long time to come?

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=6&section ... m=4&y=2004
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Unread postby Arkwright » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 12:49:33

His arguments seems to be based on the assumption that oil is not formed from rotting biological compounds of dinosaur age, but by geothermal processess in high pressure deep under the surface - thus being renewable and that explains why some oil-wells have refilled. He also assumes that there are vast quantities of oil deeper that have been drilled so far.

I dont deny the possibility of geothermal processes having something to do with oil-formation, but if the oil refill rates and those hidden stashes of oil would be real in amount he suggests, wouldnt oil companies do what they can to use them? Specially with prices like these - but then comes the conspiracy theories, and rest of it is just a laugh.
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Unread postby gunslinger » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:05:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he guy obviously seems like an idiot, but is it correct that Saudi oil reserves are 1.2 trillion barrels, as opposed to 261 billion as previously thought?


I remember when the claim of 1.2 T barrels was making the rounds last spring, but it was later found to be merely a horrendous mis-quote of what Al-Naimi said that day. Saudi Arabia's reserves are still officially claimed to be 260 B barrels.

McGowan's entire argument hinges, in large part, on a completely incorrect and misquoted statement, which he claims as fact. Whenever I read anything linked to McGowan, I roll my eyes and click on through to something else...
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Unread postby CarnbY » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:12:04

Thanks for clearing that up gunslinger, it did sound too incredible to be true
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Unread postby Grasshopper » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:35:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Egon_1', 'D')avid McGowan is a quack. Just look at all the (different) conspiracy stories he pomotes.


No question, a lot of pretty stupid stuff, including holocaust denial, and quarts of snake oil.
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:37:06

Why does McGowan go after Ruppert? I have been a longtime reader of fromthewilderness.com and Ruppert has my respect. Is this a mis-information campaign?

However, I do not like to rule out any theories that might help to explain the state of insanity we have created for ourselves.

Has anyone here ever wondered or discussed what is the endgame? Sure the 'powers that be' know about peak oil and that time is running out. This is most indicative in the ANWR drilling. But then what?

Are they planning on a mass die off (www.dieoff.org) and saving x number of barrels of oil for themselves to live in a utopian city. While the rest of us that are left live in the countryside resorting to cannibalism.

I have 2 young children, a great husband and an almost perfect life. I am sure that most of you have happy lives also. How are we supposed to deal with this? Do we need a mass information campaign? What type of activism is required? I have been an activist for several years and I am down for putting in the work.
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Unread postby Ludi » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:48:46

Consider that the wealthy depend on a large and growing population to support them. Killing off those who provide your wealth doesn't make any kind of sense. Where's the motivation?
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:56:30

The planet cannot sustain so many people based upon our resources.

Refer to http://www.dieoff.org and http://www.ecofuture.org/pk/pkcapcty.html.

IMO, the planet can sustain these populations if mankind would use it's talents and technolgies to evolve instead of the greed and waste that has been occuring since industrialization.

We made our bed so now we have to sleep in it.

The elites will not require 6 billion people to serve their needs. I am sure they can get by with quite a few less than that.

But note, this is just one theory I am throwing out there because I really don't know. So far, nothing makes sense to me.

I am open minded.
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Unread postby Ludi » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:59:41

But the entire system that promotes wealth for these people depends on growth. They would not willingly and deliberately put a stop to the very system which makes them wealthy, is what I'm telling you.
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Unread postby Grasshopper » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 14:00:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'W')hy does McGowan go after Ruppert? I have been a longtime reader of fromthewilderness.com and Ruppert has my respect. Is this a mis-information campaign?

I think it is misinformation, and smear campaign, as well, and McGowan wants to create traffic on his website for his advertising revenue. However Ruppert is a bit too strident, and into too much conspiracy for me (though not as much as McGowan).

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')Has anyone here ever wondered or discussed what is the endgame? Sure the 'powers that be' know about peak oil and that time is running out. This is most indicative in the ANWR drilling. But then what?

Are they planning on a mass die off (www.dieoff.org) and saving x number of barrels of oil for themselves to live in a utopian city. While the rest of us that are left live in the countryside resorting to cannibalism.


There are a lot of theories of what the 'powers that be' plan, but I doubt if there is a real conspiracy or even a comprehensive plan. So many different views are available to them, and so many opposing demands are being made, that I suspect they won't be able to make a decision until it's obvious that world-wide oil production is declining.
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About Mike R.

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 14:02:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'W')hy does McGowan go after Ruppert? I have been a longtime reader of fromthewilderness.com and Ruppert has my respect. Is this a mis-information campaign?
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My sense of it is that "lightning always strikes the highest conducting point."

In my personal conversations with Mike, regardless his true intentions or the proficiency with which he accomplishes his objectives, I am always left with the sense that he has incredible compassion for the world and his essential goal is to deconstruct the propaganda and behemoth machinery of lies and deception. We live in an age in which the wealthy and elite view the general population as consumable items to be used and destroyed at their pleasure. The average, run-of-the-mill citizen would not tolerate this if it were widely known; so in order for it all to work, "those children of a lesser god" have to be duped and kept in a trance while they are preyed upon and bled to death by a viciously parasitic upper class. Mike is working to reverse this situation.

If ever you're in doubt, always remember to "Follow The Money" It is our government and our god and we will do nearly anything in its service.
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Unread postby gunslinger » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 14:11:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow are we supposed to deal with this? Do we need a mass information campaign? What type of activism is required? I have been an activist for several years and I am down for putting in the work.


Greetings EnemyCombatant.

It's apparent that a mass information campaign needs to be put into place, and the only ones to do it will be we the people. Personally, I love mysteries and am naturally curious, so I believe something simple like placing sticky notes with the cryptic question "What is Peak Oil?" in public places could help out a lot. Those who wish to research this simple question may end up going down the rabbit hole...

You may want to look into a book called Overshoot by William Catton. This will go a long way towards furthering your understanding of our predicament.
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 14:12:42

Yes I know, I am reading Crossing the Rubicon.

The reason why I respect Ruppert is because he takes a prosecutorial approach to his deductions. Which lends him credibility.

Before I go on a peak oil crusade looking like a fool, I want to be sure I am right.
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Re: About Mike R.

Unread postby EZODIAK » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 14:39:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'W')hy does McGowan go after Ruppert? I have been a longtime reader of fromthewilderness.com and Ruppert has my respect. Is this a mis-information campaign?
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My sense of it is that "lightning always strikes the highest conducting point."

In my personal conversations with Mike, regardless his true intentions or the proficiency with which he accomplishes his objectives, I am always left with the sense that he has incredible compassion for the world and his essential goal is to deconstruct the propaganda and behemoth machinery of lies and deception. We live in an age in which the wealthy and elite view the general population as consumable items to be used and destroyed at their pleasure. The average, run-of-the-mill citizen would not tolerate this if it were widely known; so in order for it all to work, "those children of a lesser god" have to be duped and kept in a trance while they are preyed upon and bled to death by a viciously parasitic upper class. Mike is working to reverse this situation.

If ever you're in doubt, always remember to "Follow The Money" It is our government and our god and we will do nearly anything in its service.


Really good dead on post and yes there is a strong honest/genuine nature that shines through with Mike.

Could you expand a bit on Follow the Money..govt./god.. Drive it home for me a bit more..
thx..
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Money, money, money

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 14:45:16

I need to gather up my thoughts on that.

I think Monte may have alluded to this but I haven't seen a good run down on "follow the money" yet; I can take a stab at it tonight.

Good point.
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Re: Peak Oil Is a Scam to Promote World Depopulation

Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 23:12:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I') have been trolling this board for a while and I have performed a search, and I couldn't find a discussion regarding this article. Please comment.

If there is a thread on this article, then just forward me to that thread. Thanks!

http://www.the7thfire.com/peak_oil/peak ... lation.htm

Note this was written October 12, 2004



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This is the third thread on this same article. 2nd on this forum. Any search turns it up. I'll move this version to the Open forum.

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