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Store Closings.....

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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby Spanktron9 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 16:07:10

Mervyn's files for bankruptcy

Bennigan's too...
I think we are going to see a drumbeat of retailers folding over the next few quarters, goodbye discretionary income.
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby Farknight » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 18:54:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ervyn's files for bankruptcy Bennigan's too...
I think we are going to see a drumbeat of retailers folding over the next few quarters, goodbye discretionary income.

I very much appreciate this information as it adds concrete facts to what is an economic implosion of unprecedented scale. People just don't quite get it yet.

In my small Virginia Town (I work for the local government so I hear it direct), several restaurant are either closed, closing or on the brink. Heck, the dang dollar store even didn't make it and that says something! I am very concerned with the financial picture for the next fiscal year. We have taken on a great deal of projects and new employees and I wonder if the tax base will support it. Especially as we are losing restaurants and sales and meals taxes.

Mind you these are not luxury optional projects, we are expanding our wastewater treatment plant to meet FEDERALLY unfunded mandates at great local cost (Thanks Uncle Sam)! I only hope all goes well.
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby Spanktron9 » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 11:14:01

CNBC just announced that Boscov's filed Chapter 11 and even more important IMHO, WCI (Largest luxury home and condo builder in the US) also filed for Chapter 11.
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby StuckInPhilly » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 12:47:24

This is great information and a great thread.

I was just thinking that the retail biz around here seems to be doing pretty well (except Linens 'n' Things) until Boscovs was mentioned.

Things are hitting a little harder than I thought.
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby bromius » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 18:16:11

There is still a lot of redundancy in the system. For examples, Boscovs may be toast, but there are still plenty of other department stores out there. Not a problem for shoppers then, but the employees are in a tough spot.

There are some stores I would actually like to see close. For example, Rite Aid. A few blocks from me there are two, across the street from one another, since Eckerds was bought out. Both continue to remain open. What the hell?! These people deserve to lose money and go out of business. Furthermore, if these stores had been spaced farther apart, it would have reduced the distance needed to travel there for more people. You have to love short term thinking eh?
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby heartandseoul » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 19:12:19

My husband has worked for 26 years as a full-time reporter for a major metropolitan daily newspaper. We just got the memo today that has taken the wind out of our sails.

Due to the economy, the company is asking a substantial number of employees to "volunteer for severence pay."

If they do not get the needed number of volunteers, "and/or the economy worsens," they will be seriously considering layoffs. This company's history is to let the senior reporters go and keep the cheaper labor to cover the news.

At this time, I just can't make my heart stop pounding. Over the last several months we have been working hard to prepare for P.O. And I guess I figured the news will continue and my husband's job would be, relatively speaking, safe.
I'm just trying to fend off this overwhelming terror right now so we can come up with a backup plan.

It's not a store closing but I can't imagine this is the only newspaper that is struggling.
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby burtonridr » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 16:08:09

These all closed last week

Shamrock Coffee House
Cinnabar Coffee House
Shangrila mongolian grille
Little ol shop
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 18:33:33

What I am having trouble with right now is lagging statistics.

I observe stores closing. I read in the news about entire chains closing their doors. I read about Investment Banking firms laying off thousands of financial services workers to try to keep their balance sheets in order.

Somehow however through all of this the Unemployment Rate is only up to 5.7%? Are these folks just losing their jobs and not applying for benefits? What?

We live in what is basically a service economy, but about all services are shrinking quickly. Restaurants, Malls, Department Stores, Newspapers, every last one reports closures and layoffs, but somehow the Unemployment figure is only 5.7%? These folks are finding other jobs? Doing WHAT?

OK, I will buy that the Labor Dept is fudging figures much like the Consumer Price Indexed is fudged to make it all seem "normal", but at what point do all the unemployed Mall Workers actaully APPEAR, either in the stats or in the streets? How long does it take before the newspapers report that there are a ton of folks out there without jobs? Or maybe the newspapers can't report it because their reporters are layed off and they just dish out stories from government propagandists?

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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby FoolYap » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 19:15:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'S')omehow however through all of this the Unemployment Rate is only up to 5.7%? Are these folks just losing their jobs and not applying for benefits? What?

You're not "unemployed" if you've given up looking for work.

You're not "unemployed" if you're only working part-time.

You're not "unemployed" if you lost a good job with benefits, and had to take a crappier one without benefits (or two crappy part-time ones).

The official unemployment statistics should be taken with large grains of salt. Like, this large:
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby r101958 » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 21:01:52

Look at Shadow Government Stats sites if you really want to know what is going on with these stats and why they seem to be off.
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 17 Aug 2008, 00:47:08

BTW, just because a person is "employed", doesn't mean they like their job. Chances are, underpaid, overworked doing a lousy crappy job. Think:
ditch digging
shoveling crap
janitorial
slaughterhouse
mindless office drone
Walmart Greeter

keep adding to the list doomers!
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby Roy » Sun 17 Aug 2008, 09:08:51

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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby burtonridr » Mon 18 Aug 2008, 13:41:04

satchels in downtown boise set to close next week.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'W')hat about store openings?? Took the family for a day out to Liverpool yesterday, by train as its convenient (and you dont get your wheels nicked !!).

Went to the brilliant free city museum, then had a look at the new multi billion pound shopping centre, Liverpool One. Most stores open, rest being fitted out. Manic building activity there. A superbly designed one too, with green open space. Plenty of people carrying bags, so obviously shopping. Liverpool is supposed to be a down and out city, according to many. It isnt, just go & see. No recession in Liverpool just yet.


I can explain this....

When you plan to open a business, you get your business plan in line, then go to the banks and ask for money, then design the building to be constructed, then get permits, then start construction, then construction finishes, then you stock and open the store.

The whole process can take anywhere from 6 months to 2 years...

The stores you are seeing open right now probably received their loans a year ago or more, before the decline or slightly during.

I work as an HVAC and plumbing systems designer.... I can tell you, that we have slowed down, there are not as many stores being constructed as last year, not even close.
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby burtonridr » Mon 18 Aug 2008, 13:44:38

Oh and Mervyns will close 26 stores before the holidays

boise cascade set to close 40 stores(office max) nationwide....
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby MadScientist » Mon 18 Aug 2008, 13:52:27

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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby lys3rg0 » Tue 19 Aug 2008, 18:52:01

Things are absolutely crazy here in Romania. All of Europe is in recession, but we're up 6-7%. Growth FTW 8) The last spike in gas prices saw 100.000 drivers in neghboring Bulgaria (similar economic situation, recent EU joiner just like us) leave their cars at home and use the bus or bike. Here, it's like we didn't even notice, nobody cares about the prices. In the poorest biggish city of the country (pop. 300k+), the oldest of 2 local malls is undergoing an expansion so they can fit some more luxury brands (Armani, D&G, Bvlgari). The commercials are purely flabbergasting: "No more trips to Milano for your shopping, the real brands are coming here". :x The mentality is below bacteria level, nobody here understands much of capitalism. I can't wait for the crash, the shock to the rich spoiled brats here will be on par with the 1929 window jumpers. :lol:
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby burtonridr » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 10:55:06

Mortimers closed
8th st wine company closed
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Re: Store Closings.....

Postby burtonridr » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 16:40:12

12th st postal annex closed
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