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Unread postby Roccland » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:01:36

Neocons NOW Love International Law

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '*')**Apparently, context is everything. So, the United States attacking Grenada or Nicaragua or Panama or Iraq or Serbia is justified even if the reasons sometimes don't hold water or don't hold up before the United Nations, The Hague or other institutions of international law.***

***However, when Russia attacks Georgia in a border dispute over Georgia's determination to throttle secession movements in two semi-autonomous regions, everyone must agree that Georgia's sovereignty is sacrosanct and Russia must be condemned.** *

***U.S. newspapers, such as the New York Times, see nothing risible about publishing a statement from President George W. Bush declaring that "Georgia is a sovereign nation and its territorial integrity must be respected."* **

***No one points out that Bush should have zero standing enunciating such a principle. Iraq also was a sovereign nation, but Bush invaded it under false pretenses, demolished its army, overthrew its government and then conducted a lengthy military occupation resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths.***


Like I have always said...cut and past diplomacy will always fail...just like cut and paste logic.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:31:19

Huh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Yeah. I can see the similiarities.... :roll:

Talk about that "cut and paste logic".... :wink:
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Cochise » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:48:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')uh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Yeah. I can see the similiarities.... :roll:

Talk about that "cut and paste logic".... :wink:


Russia did not invade georgia. Georgia started a massacre of russain nationality people in an area that was already under international control.
After the start of the massacre, russia tried to have UN stop the bombing of civilians. USA, GB and France refused to press georgia
Russian reacted and stop after they kicked the georgian assassins out of ossetia.

quit reading the news from some cartoon's magazine.

and maybe georgians are terrorists in russian's opinion.... or do you think you are the only one qualified to stick that label on people?
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Roccland » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 16:51:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')uh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Yeah. I can see the similiarities.... :roll:

Talk about that "cut and paste logic".... :wink:


And this is precisely why discussions about 911 and other geopolitical discussions CANNOT be talked about in vaccums.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:04:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cochise', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')uh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Yeah. I can see the similiarities.... :roll:

Talk about that "cut and paste logic".... :wink:


Russia did not invade georgia. Georgia started a massacre of russain nationality people in an area that was already under international control.
After the start of the massacre, russia tried to have UN stop the bombing of civilians. USA, GB and France refused to press georgia
Russian reacted and stop after they kicked the georgian assassins out of ossetia.

quit reading the news from some cartoon's magazine.

and maybe georgians are terrorists in russian's opinion.... or do you think you are the only one qualified to stick that label on people?


Link to source? I have heard nothing about any mass killings.

As I understand it south Ossentia was part of Georgia. They then tried to "go their own way" in the 90's but it was never recognized by Georgia. This could be considered a continuation of that.

Tell me again, where does Russia come into play in a skirmish between Georgia and South Ossetia trying to deccare independence from Georgia?

What Vlad wants, Vlad takes.

Land grab.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Dezakin » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:15:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')uh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Like Vietnam, Panama, or Grenada?

Or do you mean Iraq? A terrorist organization? Certainly a despotic state, but really we had no interest there. Just when do we plan on leaving? 2020? What will our response be when they form a strategic allience with Iran I wonder?
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Cochise » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:19:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Link to source? I have heard nothing about any mass killings.



On Friday, Georgian forces shelled South Ossetian population centers and launched a ground invasion deep into the territory. By noon, news reports announced that they had immobilized much of the opposition and had taken control of South Ossetia's capital, Tskhinvali. The city came under attack by aircraft, artillery and armor, and South Ossetia officials claimed that more than 1,000 people had been killed.



Russia's initial response was to convene an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council, hoping to pass a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire between Georgia and South Ossetia. But the Russian draft resolution was contentious. The United State and others objected to language that appeared to exempt Russia from condemnation over the use of force.


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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 73,00.html

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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:20:44

As far as I'm concerned there is plenty of blame to go around.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:30:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')uh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Like Vietnam, Panama, or Grenada?

Or do you mean Iraq? A terrorist organization? Certainly a despotic state, but really we had no interest there. Just when do we plan on leaving? 2020? What will our response be when they form a strategic allience with Iran I wonder?


See, thats what people always seem to overlook.

I'm NOT condoning our actions while condemning theirs.

I'm saying its pretty ridiculous to claim our military ventures are similiar to theirs. Thats all. Russia wants the old USSR back. Russia deployed peace keepers to Ossetia long ago. Peace keepers which supposedly have been working to Russianize the area. So its a bit silly to claim russia "deployed" peace keepers, it simply increased the number its had there for some time.

Land grab.

I'll bet dollars to donuts should Georgia lose that Ossetia is LOT recognized by Russia as a free and independent nation but is folded into Russia.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:33:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cochise', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Link to source? I have heard nothing about any mass killings.



On Friday, Georgian forces shelled South Ossetian population centers and launched a ground invasion deep into the territory. By noon, news reports announced that they had immobilized much of the opposition and had taken control of South Ossetia's capital, Tskhinvali. The city came under attack by aircraft, artillery and armor, and South Ossetia officials claimed that more than 1,000 people had been killed.



Russia's initial response was to convene an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council, hoping to pass a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire between Georgia and South Ossetia. But the Russian draft resolution was contentious. The United State and others objected to language that appeared to exempt Russia from condemnation over the use of force.


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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 73,00.html

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If you dont like what you hear, just ignore it eh?

So, how about the fact Russia has had boots on the ground for over a DECADE. This is HARDLY a new issue between South Ossetia, Georgia and Russia.

Russia wants the land. Period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia#1989-2008

A peacekeeping force of Ossetians, Russians and Georgians was established. On November 6, 1992, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) set up a Mission in Georgia to monitor the peacekeeping operation
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Roccland » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:50:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
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And amerika wants Iraq oil. Period.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Dezakin » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 17:54:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')uh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Like Vietnam, Panama, or Grenada?

Or do you mean Iraq? A terrorist organization? Certainly a despotic state, but really we had no interest there. Just when do we plan on leaving? 2020? What will our response be when they form a strategic allience with Iran I wonder?


See, thats what people always seem to overlook.

I'm NOT condoning our actions while condemning theirs.

I'm saying its pretty ridiculous to claim our military ventures are similiar to theirs. Thats all.

Fair enough. I disagree, because whatever the intentions are, the outcome for both is the same. Destruction, puppet state, and chaos in the wake. In the case of actual imperial land grabs there may be less chaos than the high minded good intentions of the promote democracy by force ideal, because at least you bring order rather than a power vacuum that spirals into civil war.

Russia in Georgia, very naughty agreed. But the effects just isn't much different weather you're doing it for finding WMDs (or whatever the hell we went into Iraq for, promoting democracy, stopping a bad man, I cant remember) or a land grab.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 18:08:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cochise', '
')Russia did not invade georgia.


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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby americandream » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 18:35:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cochise', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')uh, so Russia's land grab invasion is the same thing as America launching assaults against terrorist organizations, and then planning to leave?

Yeah. I can see the similiarities.... :roll:

Talk about that "cut and paste logic".... :wink:


Russia did not invade georgia. Georgia started a massacre of russain nationality people in an area that was already under international control.
After the start of the massacre, russia tried to have UN stop the bombing of civilians. USA, GB and France refused to press georgia
Russian reacted and stop after they kicked the georgian assassins out of ossetia.

quit reading the news from some cartoon's magazine.

and maybe georgians are terrorists in russian's opinion.... or do you think you are the only one qualified to stick that label on people?


Link to source? I have heard nothing about any mass killings.

As I understand it south Ossentia was part of Georgia. They then tried to "go their own way" in the 90's but it was never recognized by Georgia. This could be considered a continuation of that.

Tell me again, where does Russia come into play in a skirmish between Georgia and South Ossetia trying to deccare independence from Georgia?

What Vlad wants, Vlad takes.

Land grab.


Oh spare me the bullshit you dumbass. America and it's mothercountry the UK want IT ALL. The Russkies clearly have had enough of giving ass and are taking a last stand. Last stand I say, cos I don't reckon Putin has the balls to stand up to the cabal of Anglo Saxon gangsters running the world. Nor do the Chinese...bloody next to useless those buggers. Muslim terrorists...so fukkin stupidly moronic, it's blimmin tragic.

Has anyone got the balls to stand up tp the Pommie bluebloods and their poodles in America...NIET. The only way these buggers are gonna be given the boot is when the atmosphere starts to cook the lot of you like frogs. As I've said before, that aint gonna happen soon. I'ld give it 50 years.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby americandream » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 18:46:52

It's all talk, talk, talk. World's full of frickin Rambo's who can talk the talk. Just keep bending over when you see the bawss coming like good boys.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 18:50:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Russia wants the land. Period.


And amerika wants Iraq oil. Period.


Want and have are two different things. Shit, I want a Ferrari. Doesnt mean I have one.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 18:53:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
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Oh spare me the bullshit you dumbass. America and it's mothercountry the UK want IT ALL. The Russkies clearly have had enough of giving ass and are taking a last stand. Last stand I say, cos I don't reckon Putin has the balls to stand up to the cabal of Anglo Saxon gangsters running the world. Nor do the Chinese...bloody next to useless those buggers. Muslim terrorists...so fukkin stupidly moronic, it's blimmin tragic.

Has anyone got the balls to stand up tp the Pommie bluebloods and their poodles in America...NIET. The only way these buggers are gonna be given the boot is when the atmosphere starts to cook the lot of you like frogs. As I've said before, that aint gonna happen soon. I'ld give it 50 years.


Such a compelling argument.....

You DO realize we barely knew Georgia existed until all this hoo-ray happened.

But I dont want to ruin your fantasy of hating America.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby americandream » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 19:00:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
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Oh spare me the bullshit you dumbass. America and it's mothercountry the UK want IT ALL. The Russkies clearly have had enough of giving ass and are taking a last stand. Last stand I say, cos I don't reckon Putin has the balls to stand up to the cabal of Anglo Saxon gangsters running the world. Nor do the Chinese...bloody next to useless those buggers. Muslim terrorists...so fukkin stupidly moronic, it's blimmin tragic.

Has anyone got the balls to stand up tp the Pommie bluebloods and their poodles in America...NIET. The only way these buggers are gonna be given the boot is when the atmosphere starts to cook the lot of you like frogs. As I've said before, that aint gonna happen soon. I'ld give it 50 years.


Such a compelling argument.....

You DO realize we barely knew Georgia existed until all this hoo-ray happened.

But I dont want to ruin your fantasy of hating America.


Thats cos you an inconspicuous worker bee you fool. What does it matter what you want! You're nothing but cannon fodder, to be duped and controlled for the glory and wealth of an old established class of privilege, infinitely smarter than you.

What does it really matter what YOU want. What does it matter that you are from America? Do the elite bluebloods really care other than to ensure you are well fed enough and kept suitably stupified to gratefully fight their wars.

Duh! Frankly, fools like you are a genetic failure in the species.
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Re: Neocons NOW Love International Law

Unread postby americandream » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 19:09:15

And I say that in contrast with those who sense they are being manipulated, and are seeking to understand why. You my fine featherd specop friend must feel uneasy or else why are you here. But incredibly, you continue to fall for the control. What can I say? I am constantly amazed at how gullible some are.
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