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Re: We are few

Unread postby jbeckton » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 13:08:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', 'I')'m sorry you choose to let things like this upset you.

I find language and its use to be interesting, and think communication is at its best when it is concise and precise.


I would agree that if the term were taken out of context or misinterpreted it would be something worth correcting. However, IMO capitalizing something because it may now be a proper noun adds nothing to the conversation and more than anything else wastes bandwidth on a forum full of horrible grammar and punctuation.

Damn it!

I have only added to this waste of time.

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Re: We are few

Unread postby DirtyHowi » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 16:04:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skippyreef', ' ')I do not intend to reinvent the wheel


Keep in mind the Amish do things their traditional way, which may not be the easiest way. Though the wheel may not need to be reinvented, the Amish may not necessarily be the best model. New models may need to be invented to avoid unnecessary hard work.

See permaculture, Biointensive, Natural Farming


you also must remember that the amish do not necessarily eschew all modern convienence, only the motor car, they use diesel engines to power tools and generators to power tools. their greatest strength is that "they are their own insurance". brother jeb knows he can rely on brother bob if he falls off his plow and breaks his leg.
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Re: We are few

Unread postby ushoys » Mon 11 Aug 2008, 21:36:21

I suspect that very few of the posters on these boards will actually last much longer or fare any better than the general populace. Our post-peak plans will probably prove as unfeasible and unsustainable as everything else and what finishes our society will do for us all. In this respect, "we few" are not really doing ourselves or anybody else much good and we'd actually be better off to be in the same state of blissful ignorance as "the many" until the end. Still, there is a sort of temporary, masturbatory relief discussing these things with like-minded walking worried.
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Re: We are few

Unread postby s0ul5 » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 01:48:18

I guess when we are "many", these forums pretty much lose their meaning..

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ushoys', 'w')e'd actually be better off to be in the same state of blissful ignorance as "the many" until the end.


Maybe you're still going through the depression of realizing PO? I agree with you that if things go very bad, there is going to be great randomness about who survives and who doesn't, but I nevertheless feel good about knowing the reasons behind what'll happen. That helps me to use my time well and enjoy living like this while it still lasts.
The best about PO is that it constantly unbores me.
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Re: We are few

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 07:28:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ushoys', 'I') suspect that very few, if any, of the posters on these boards will actually last much longer or fare any better than the general populace. Our post-peak plans will probably prove as unfeasible and unsustainable as everything else and what finishes our society will do for us all. In this respect, "we few" are not really doing ourselves or anybody else much good .


That attitude certainly could save you from bothering to make any preparations or helping your family, friends, and community to make them! Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Re: We are few

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 08:30:58

You might want to dig a little deeper ushoys. It's more than just "surviving" PO that's at issue. There are actually a few ways to benefit from it. Doesn't really take too much effort to find those threads these days. But, then again, that's why we have a free will: choose your path and stick with it.
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Re: We are few

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 08:36:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'Y')ou might want to dig a little deeper ushoys. It's more than just "surviving" PO that's at issue. There are actually a few ways to benefit from it. Doesn't really take too much effort to find those threads these days. But, then again, that's why we have a free will: choose your path and stick with it.


ROCKMAN, you're a good person to run this by. Do you see any downside to the oil services sector in the next few years? I don't. It seems like they are going to make a LOT of money whether oil is at $80 a barrel or $160 a barrel.

Given that there are some real bargains in that sector right now, is there maybe something I'm missing? It seems almost too easy.

Any notes of caution from our man downtown? :-D
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Re: We are few

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 09:38:51

I don't follow the service companies Tex. But my basic instinct says they'll continue to run parrallel to the rig count so as long as it looks solid I would have faith. The only area I might be a little more careful is with the big deep water rig contractors. They've been taking on a lot of debt with their new builds. But demand for those rigs doesn't seem likely to drop anytime soon thanks to Petrobras. But it still makes me a little nervous. The big rigs ususally take 4 or 5 years to payout. That seems like a long time to project increased future DW activity. But it probably will still work.
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Re: We are few

Unread postby gregg1961 » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 12:37:14

I spend a little time following the service end of things and have to say that is where more and more of my allocation is heading. Big oil needs that sector to maintain any hope of future production. Record investment by big oil translates into a significant part of that investment being spent in the service end of the equation. Service costs will go up, but that will just be passed along up the food chain. Smaller land based rig builders & drillers, pipeline operators (especially n-gas), frac outfits, rig transport services, smaller specialty chemical producers, hotel operators in oil patch markets, etc. All those seem poised to do a great business in the next several years.
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Re: We are few

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 12:47:22

I agree Gregg. One big advantage with the service sector is the lag time. Even if drilling economics plunge for whatever reason and companies throw the brakes on hard there would still be a good 6 month lag before it hits the service sector. Plenty of time to take the profit and bale.
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