[Nicholai]

Taking action = moving off the grid, yes?

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nicholai', 'T')aking action = moving off the grid, yes?

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Buggy', '
')But they are so easily lulled back into complacancy. "Gas prices are going down! Everything is good again!" Really? $125 a barrel is a bargain? We are still awaiting the impact of $100 a barrel.

[Nicholai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut on the broader definition, yes, I do mean "moving off the grid." I mean having multiple small revenue streams, instead of one career job. I mean having redundant back-up systems for the possibly long transition while grid electricity becomes less reliable over time. I mean buying durable, repairable stuff from your local store, rather than cheap plastic crap from Mall*Wart. I mean growing a large portion of your own food and producing a large portion of your own energy. I mean dropping out of the economy to the greatest degree possible. I mean "starving the beast."

[kpeavey]

[skippyreef]

I jsut recently started to understand this more. I started reading a book called "Profit fromteh Peak" as a way to learn how to invest in alternative energy. I did not go in search of enlightenment on this subject and I thought "The Peak" was anything but about oil!!! The first half of the book shook me up a little with the numbers and projections. I am now on a crusade to learn as much as I can! I am going to the book store tommorow to pick up a book entitled "power down" and another called "Hubberts Peak".

I started talking to my wife about this and the fact that there will come a time when we may need a place to go to that is in a remote location far away from populated placed in order to survive the mob. I am learning to can food and am going to get a book on self sustaining for a post peak world.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skippyreef', ' ')I am learning to can food and am going to get a book on self sustaining for a post peak world.

[DomusAlbion]

"But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood (or stores up food) with me
Shall be my brother."

St. Crispen's Day Speech - Shakespeare's HENRY V with my addition.

DA

[skippyreef]

It could take a while for me to learn. I have been reading about ice house construction and storage of ice over the hot months lately. I have also found a cool company that make solar intergrated shingles that I plan on incorprating into my home away from the madness.

I am looking at how the Amish people survive without electricity and modern power because they are the closest thing we have in this country to a post peak culture. I do not intend to reinvent the wheel so much as to learn from one I can go and look at for the cost of a good pie or quilt The major difference is I will have source for power (Solar and Wind) where they do not.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skippyreef', ' ')I do not intend to reinvent the wheel

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')ee permaculture, Biointensive, Natural Farming

[bromius]

Bytesmith> Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of sustainable? Actually, I'll pose that question to anybody that wants to answer. I agree, growth and sustainable don't belong in the same sentence together, unless you are talking about growth within some kind of balanced arrangement, like a natural or carefully designed ecosystem.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '
')Hi Ludi!

Just a nit, but please note that Permaculture(TM) is a trademark, and thus a proper noun, and it should always be capitalized.

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')ite me.

[TreebeardsUncle]

First. Get the finances in order. Then deal with gaining skills, and getting supplies in order.

1. get the money
2. get the land
3. get the tools

Do value investing in oil services, certain electronics and software companies, etc that have good returns. Don't hold them during the drops.
Own real estate outright.

Keep the majority of the wealth in abstract assets for the short term. Then shift to real estate.

[TreebeardsUncle]

Sustainability means you can do it indefinitely for millenia like the Kalahari San bushmen.

The american indians said something along the lines that an idea or practice should perform well over 7 generations to be good.

g

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'D')o value investing in oil services, certain electronics and software companies, etc that have good returns.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', 'W')hat a pleasant way to go about public discourse!

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')orry, I just get grumpy about stuff like this. Who does it help?

[BigTex]

Per the CoC, can we do a quick Jubilee-style group hug and then proceed with the discussion?