[TreebeardsUncle]

The collapse will be neither sudden nor complete as oil is replaced by natural gas, coal, nuclear sources, and bio-fuels in that order.

Mal-adjusted miscontents long for the fall of society. What makes them think they will do better in a primitive anarchic situation than in comfortable suburbia?

etc

[Fiddlerdave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'T')he collapse will be neither sudden nor complete as oil is replaced by natural gas, coal, nuclear sources, and bio-fuels in that order.
etc

[XLMike]

I agree that "Mal-adjusted miscontents long for the fall of society" and I am certainly not one of them. I'm sure that most people do not wish anarchy on themselves or their fellow man. I can't see the future and neither can anyone else.

I have this image in my head of "little house on the prarrie" minus the religion with everyone all happy living a simple contented life, when a bunch of trucks roll into town and tell everyone they can't live there and drag them all away to the new city to be processed as citicens of the new global state.

thinking about this kind of thing really makes me angry and upset.

Can I have my "Soma" now please.

[manu]

We are already into the collapse almost two years. As it becomes more apparent to the lemmings that they are falling off the cliff it will speed up. Wars will get worse. Hopefully it won't go nuclear, but given the rulers of various countries, it probably will. For the survivors, after the dust settles, it will be simple living. Or just surviving. Just remember the leaders who tell you "all is well" have their cave bunkers all stocked up to ride out the "big one". In fact, I wouldn't doubt that Cheney and his buddies from Haliburton are having a "cheese party" in one right now.
As far as people fleeing, look no farther than Sudan or Zimbabwe, people flee to where they think they can find food and safety. After the L.A. riots, so many people moved to Boulder it became know as little L.A.

[Ludi]

I was living in Los Angeles during those riots, Drill. I did not flee the city, nor did anyone, to my knowledge.


Can you give me one example from history of people fleeing an urban area during a disaster, not including actual war? Just one specific example, not speculation. Thanks.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'A')fter the L.A. riots, so many people moved to Boulder it became know as little L.A.

[ColossalContrarian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'A')fter the L.A. riots, so many people moved to Boulder it became know as little L.A.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') was living in Los Angeles during those riots, Drill. I did not flee the city, nor did anyone, to my knowledge.


Can you give me one example from history of people fleeing an urban area during a disaster, not including actual war? Just one specific example, not speculation. Thanks.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')Pompei?

[MadScientist]

ahh mutant biker zombies. so scary.

You can't use Katrina or LA as examples because...they knew help was coming at some point. It was a very short lived scenario.

Zombies are created when long term hopelessness and lack of essentials (food/water/shelter) drive people mad. Months after the riots die down because they've become pointless. Months after their psyches have been splintered by constant exposure to death and suffering. They are born in the urban centers which aren't important enough to receive the limited govt support available. Accustomed to the taste of human flesh.

They will be the survivors. Smart, well armed, and predatory.

200+ miles from major metro areas is where you want to be. When the zombies start coming, you'll hear about it long before they get to you. You'll have to make tough decisions about who from your community will go and help to fight them. But you must send soldiers because its far better to fight them far from your home and food supply.

It's important to note that the change from refugee to zombie will be gradual and overlapped. There will be difficult and necessarily barbaric decisions to make on the front lines regarding who to save and who to kill. Something along the lines of save the healthy kids and bury the adults.

reassess your ammo supply.

[Ludi]

Sheer goofy speculation. Well armed cannibal zombies!



Good luck with your plan, there.

Personally, I'm not planning on killing anyone.

[mos6507]

It's really hard to conceptualize a sudden collapse when I walk into a grocery store and it is packed to the gills with every food imaginable, much of it already cooked and warm in a lazy cafeteria style presentation. This DESPITE $120 a barrel oil and angry diesel truckers. I don't know how the hell it's holding together, but I've got to think we've got quite a ways to fall before zombie hordes kick in.

[MadScientist]

I dont need luck. I went 300 miles in a direction they wont wanna go ^ ^.

[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')t's really hard to conceptualize a sudden collapse when I walk into a grocery store and it is packed to the gills with every food imaginable, much of it already cooked and warm in a lazy cafeteria style presentation. This DESPITE $120 a barrel oil and angry diesel truckers. I don't know how the hell it's holding together, but I've got to think we've got quite a ways to fall before zombie hordes kick in.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')t's really hard to conceptualize a sudden collapse when I walk into a grocery store and it is packed to the gills with every food imaginable, much of it already cooked and warm in a lazy cafeteria style presentation. This DESPITE $120 a barrel oil and angry diesel truckers. I don't know how the hell it's holding together, but I've got to think we've got quite a ways to fall before zombie hordes kick in.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', 'I') dont need luck. I went 300 miles in a direction they wont wanna go ^ ^.

[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', 'I') dont need luck. I went 300 miles in a direction they wont wanna go ^ ^.

[MadScientist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') don't know about the scientist part but he shure is mad