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Re: World 'losing fight against Aids'

Unread postby Bas » Mon 23 Jul 2007, 22:32:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '
')*Bah*

That was the tune of the 80's. Been there, done that. Bought the t-shirt, never use it. It fostered a "non-fu**ing generation" in Europe, but not much more.

Africa would be down to half it's population by now if you believed the prophets in the 80's. Any indication those prophets were right then? Why should they be right now?


Hi there sunshine,

while this is still a very serious epidemic of a very serious disease, it indeed isn't as contagious as we were led to believe in the 80's (we would probably have a few billion hiv cases by now if the chances were 50-50 of contracting it from a one time contact with an Hiv positive person) the potential of the disease killing a significant number of people over the long term remains: Though I know the figures of 0.1% to 1% chance to get infected, this apparently is enough to infect up to thirty percent of populations of some southern African nations, within 25 years of the disease first being identified.

Surely a deadly flu pandemic will be able to kill hundreds of millions in a short time but such a disease will be gone within a year or two. As long as there is little hope for a cure for Aids, the potential for it to kill hundreds of millions over this century and after that remains.
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Re: World 'losing fight against Aids'

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 02:16:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')It is unfortunate there are some things we are not allowed to say in the Western world. The other truth we are not allowed to say reguarding HIV is that circumcision hugely reduces the transmition of HIV.


What a bunch of horseshit. Havent you seen a nice graph posted somewhere here about relation of world temperature and the quantity of pirates in the open seas? It came from the same fairytale as your story. Its a pity one would repeat something like that without thinking it first.

Finally who exactly is not allowing you to promote A Top Surgery in the USA?
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AIDS and PO

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 03 Aug 2008, 08:33:30

New report raises U.S. AIDS rate 40 percent
Government agency says better measuring methods led to fresh estimate link

Wow. 40 percent more! I can't wait for the government report that says because of better measuring techniques, the world's oil supply is 40 percent less. Not a report we would ever see.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 03 Aug 2008, 12:53:49

The major impact of PO on AIDS will take a form of making advanced treatments not affordable even in first world, so turnover will be faster than now.

On the top of it prevalence of activities like prostitution will increase (and prostitutes may be cheaper than a condom...), so it is reasonable to assume that infection rates will grow.

It is reasonable to assume that AIDS will be as prevalent in first world as it is now in sub-Saharan Africa.

It is likely that few nations facing such situation may decide to subject their HIV/AIDS patients to lifelong quaranteen, as it was done for some time in Cuba.
Compulsory testing say once a year may be introduced in such countries.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby dukey » Sun 03 Aug 2008, 13:39:09

HIV/AIDS is a huge medical fraud

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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby socrates1fan » Sun 03 Aug 2008, 15:06:04

The best way to eliminate AIDS is prevent infection.
I think people should really get their partners checked out before having sexual relations. Sadly there isn't a whole lot of progression on the issue. I think most governments ignore it because it 'gets rid of the "tainted" population' if you know what I mean. Its horrible but most likely true.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby idiom » Sun 03 Aug 2008, 16:55:47

Any other fatal infectious disease gets quarantined. And then OMG it stops spreading.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Daphne64 » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 01:12:13

<sarcasm on>
That kind of improvement in measuring is nothing! Due to better awareness, the autism rate is 6000% more than it was 20 years ago! And we are getting better at measuring it all the time! We are twice as good at measuring it in 6 year olds as in 14 year olds!
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Jupidu » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 08:02:57

Provide enough (healthy) food and you can lower the rate of infections by dimensions.
A decisive fact is to compare the countries with high infection rate together with the countries with the greatest percentage of people living with hunger.
Do people who have only little to eat only always think about getting the next date?
Why has getting AIDS something to do you with the kind of sex you pratice (first AIDS patients were gay men in the San Francisco area - the sauna disease)? What about dominatrixes?


A simple test for scepticer: Try to convince a very good friend who is medical doctor to let analyze his blood at three different laboratorys (best: very wide spread). Three probes of his blood with three different stories:
1. The doctor himself believes he has infected himself by silly chance somewhere.
2. A patient, best with a academic degree, believes he has infected himself by a silly chance somewhere.
3. A poor patient, with relation to alcohol and drugs, fears he has infected himself in a ugly call-house.

Be suprised about the reactions of the laboratorys.

Isn't it funny that in Africa you only needs three symptoms (e.g. cough, fever and swollen lymphatic glands) to be declared as an AIDS patient (search for "Bangui Definition"), and most often it is used for poor people with poor education. In Australia (if i remember correctly) you need at least five symptoms to be viewed as a possible AIDS patient.

The Bangui Definition (Diagnosis by appearance of certain symptoms) was introduced because of the "costs" of wide spread AIDS tests.

Try to imagine how many AIDS patients we would have in the western countries with such a method.

There was no wide spread academic discussion among the medical researchers all over the world about the Diagnosis of AIDS. The only correct diagnosis was declared by a representative of the CDC (i think). No further discussion.
Who declared the correct type of the SARS virus, though there was a proposal of chinese researchers? The CDC.

SARS was a unknown, highly infective virus. It was cured within several months (vaccine was produced) by combined work of scientists all over the world. How many decades and how many billions of dollars were invested till now to research AIDS?
And the result?
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 15:48:15

Imagine that...


Yearly estimates allow better recognition of trends in the U.S. epidemic. For example, the new report found that infections are falling among heterosexuals and injection drug users.

Some experts celebrated that finding, saying it’s a tribute to prevention efforts, including nearly 200 syringe exchange programs now operating in 36 states despite a federal ban on funding for such projects.

But they also lamented the CDC’s finding that infections continue to increase in gay and bisexual men, who accounted for more than half of HIV infections in 2006. Also, more than a third of those with HIV are younger than 30.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Starvid » Mon 04 Aug 2008, 15:56:51

One interesting thing is that the prevalanence of AIDS/HIV in the US is far from uniform over the entire population. If you for example just look at the black population as if it was a separate country you'd see higher rater of infection than in a number of subsaharan African countries.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby drgoodword » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 05:28:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'H')IV/AIDS is a huge medical fraud


+1

If the so-called "aids dissidents" are correct--and their hypotheses go a lot further in explaining AIDS than the currently accepted HIV-based one does--the era of HIV/AIDS will be the biggest scandal in the history of science and medicine.

For me, the connection between between AIDS and PO is that both have been made far worse by the official lies spawned by greed and desire for power.

An older but excellent article giving an overview of how it all happened.

Lots of resources here.

Another good resource.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 09:15:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'H')IV/AIDS is a huge medical fraud


+1

If the so-called "aids dissidents" are correct--and their hypotheses go a lot further in explaining AIDS than the currently accepted HIV-based one does--the era of HIV/AIDS will be the biggest scandal in the history of science and medicine.

For me, the connection between between AIDS and PO is that both have been made far worse by the official lies spawned by greed and desire for power.

An older but excellent article giving an overview of how it all happened.

Lots of resources here.

Another good resource.


Thats a dangerous line to walk.

Implicit in Root-Bernstein's critique of the HIV theory is the controversial notion that an individual's behaviour is a much more important determinant of susceptibility than once believed: that the condition of your body if and when you encounter HIV may be as important as whether you encounter HIV. "Healthy people," Root-Bernstein says, "do not get AIDS."
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Jupidu » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 15:25:50

I have to correct myself: It wasn't the CDC who declared HIV as the cause of AIDS. It was the health minister on a press conference on April 23rd 1984 in Washington D.C. She declared researchers of the NIH as the winners of the race in finding the virus that causes AIDS. Till that point the abuse of drugs was considered to be the most probable cause for this disease(s). Over night this assumption was history, but not as a result of a scientific discussion.

A few years ago i saw a documentary in a state channel about a medicin scandal in New York:
A black mother with diagnosis AIDS died and had a small boy, who was nursed by his grand mother, with not too much money.

This child, diagnosed with AIDS too, at some time had to take AIDS drugs. But soon the condition of the child got worse. The grand mother had the suspect that the drugs were the cause and she stopped the therapy. So the condition of the child got better. Somehow the doctors got notice that the therapy was stopped and they informed the youth welfare office. They told the grand mother that the child would be taken away from here if she didn't continue with the therapy.
Some time later the grand mother stopped the therapy again and the child was transferred by the "Agency for Child Services" (ACS) to a house called the "Incarnation Children’s Center" (ICC). There are living a lot of children with the same story or orphans.
It is (now was because of the scandal) nothing else but a very cheap drug testing centre where children are guinea pigs.
The whole story you can read here ( Beware there are shocking pictures of children!):

The house that AIDS built

Or this one:
"The NIH Scandal and the Future of AIDS Research"
at http://liam.gnn.tv/

There is/was a drug called AZT ( Azidothymidine). On the surface of the drug container is the symbol of a skull with crossed bones and to the left you can read in tiny letters:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')OXIC
Toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.
Target organ(s):
Blood bone marrow
If you feel unwell, seek medical advice (show the label where possible). Were suitable protective clothing.


For me thats more like warning against very hazardous material. It's something to deposit in a special containement to secure it from the environment.
No, it is/was an official AIDS drug.

If you don't die because of "AIDS" you are guaranteed to die when you take such drugs.
One of the results of multi-billion AIDS research.

Now, we aren't told the truth about PO or the future of energy and we aren't told the truth about AIDS and other things.
We have to think twice every time we can.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Dezakin » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 16:43:39

Right, and vaccines kill you and kennedy was killed by the CIA with the mob and Castro all wrapped up in bed together and fluoridated water is government mind control, etcetera.

Dumbass.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby dukey » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 17:12:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his child, diagnosed with AIDS too, at some time had to take AIDS drugs.


u looked at what some of the AIDs drugs are
AZT, the DNA chain terminator.

The theory is .. take this drug, it kills off thousands of cells, in the hope that it kills some HIV cells. The theory is totally insane, it's no wonder people die taking these drugs.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 19:46:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'R')ight, and vaccines kill you and kennedy was killed by the CIA with the mob and Castro all wrapped up in bed together and fluoridated water is government mind control, etcetera.

Dumbass.
Don't forget the black helicopers and the cattle mutilation, and the CIA/Jews/whoever caused 9/11! :-D

The scary thing is that I remember when I got in to the PO business in the fall of 2004, belief in the PO theory was considered on par with the above craziness. 8O
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Jupidu » Wed 06 Aug 2008, 05:10:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')umbass.


Hohoho, a nice, shiny person is writing here!

To lessen your fears a bit with respect to vaccinations:
Did you know that a lot of elder people, children and people weakened by a long period of hunger very likely will die in a flu epidemic?

Now, during and especially at the end of WW I a lot of people in Central Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands were malnourished. And i think the same situation occured in other parts of the world. So the virus of the Spanish flu hadn't to be very aggressive to kill a lot of people.
Funny that this information is not very wide spread.
That's just a little bit of common sense, nothing to do with conspiracy.

In the USA information policy with regard to public health is far better than for example in Germany. There exists a special website describing complications belonging to vaccinations:

"Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Web site."
http://vaers.hhs.gov/

In Germany exists nothing like that, at least of what i know.

And if you by chance know a person who has AIDS, there is a far cheaper medicine with similar side effects and health warnings on it and therefore should also be of some help:
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby Dezakin » Wed 06 Aug 2008, 17:03:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jupidu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')umbass.


Hohoho, a nice, shiny person is writing here!

To lessen your fears a bit with respect to vaccinations:
Did you know that a lot of elder people, children and people weakened by a long period of hunger very likely will die in a flu epidemic?

Now, during and especially at the end of WW I a lot of people in Central Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands were malnourished. And i think the same situation occured in other parts of the world. So the virus of the Spanish flu hadn't to be very aggressive to kill a lot of people.

The spanish flu killed predominatly healthy, well nourished young adults because it triggered cytokine storms.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')unny that this information is not very wide spread.
That's just a little bit of common sense, nothing to do with conspiracy.


Havn't the slightest idea what you're going on about.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd if you by chance know a person who has AIDS, there is a far cheaper medicine with similar side effects and health warnings on it and therefore should also be of some help:
Drain cleaner

You can submit your paper to the NIH. I dont think it will be taken seriously. A better resource would be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiretroviral_drug

Which has kept HIV count in a friend of mine low and him healthy for years. Instead I'll walk up to him and say 'Hey, actually you should inject drain cleaner, its a lot cheaper and will keep your viral load just as low.' Oh right, you dont believe HIV causes aids, I forgot.
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Re: AIDS and PO

Unread postby dukey » Wed 06 Aug 2008, 17:59:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he spanish flu killed predominatly healthy, well nourished young adults because it triggered cytokine storms.


This is correct. Flu doesn't do this, it takes out the old and weak. The young and healthy were dying because they were receiving vaccinations, probably live viruses.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the U.S. Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the U.S. Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practiced for years.

“The report of the Surgeon-General of the U.S. Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. This takes no account of those whose vaccine diseases were attributed to other causes.

“The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports. When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid: Paratyphoid. But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease: Spanish flu.”

As several other sources confirm, it was this newly-concocted typhoid vaccine, as well as several other vaccines, that were mass disseminated to allegedly protect a “panic-stricken” world from the disease-infected soldiers returning from WWI battlefields that triggered the 1918 flu pandemic.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ollowing is an excerpt from Eleanor McBean’s eyewitness account as memorialized in Chapter Two of her book, “Vaccination Condemned”: All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty one day would be dead the next.

The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War I. Practically the entire population had been injected “seeded” with a dozen or more diseases - or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic. That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.


Sign me up to that vaccine .. lol.
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