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Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 18:13:30

link One of my good friends got caught up in the Critical Mass NYPD dragnet several years ago by accident when he was going out to get ice cream, got tackled by multiple cops along with hundreds of other cyclists and held in a portable detention facility for 24 hours.

Even bicyclists are terrorists.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Maddog78 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 18:59:28

Whooah, that was pretty brutal.
Wonder if he'll get fired or promoted?
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Prince » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 19:42:01

I see you only like to tell one side of the story. These assholes have a history of problems with the police. By-and-large these are not poor innocent little bikers.

conflicts

Also, on the same day with the same group out in Seattle, we find this little gem: Monthly bicycle protest marred by violence

These whiny minions can take their bikes and shove them right up their ass as far as I'm concerned. I think biking is great. I bike frequently. But my sympathy for this group is damn near zero. Deliberately disrupting society to push your liberal agenda is uncalled for. If you're willing to protest, you should also be willing to deal with the consequences.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 19:51:02

Why are americans such establishment stooges? Look at bloody France, everyone's right to protest is sacred, nobody complains because their petty little lives are somehow affected and their comfort is mildly disrupted by someone else's strike or demonstration. This is the right way to get the government to be afraid of the people, not the other way around. If you're just going to be a crybaby about it, you're falling for the administration's divide and conquer.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 21:38:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'I') see you only like to tell one side of the story.


What part of "That bastard Nazi pig attacked the cyclist" is one-sided or inaccurate?
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 21:40:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', '
')Also, on the same day with the same group out in Seattle, we find this little gem: Monthly bicycle protest marred by violence


You're like the pot calling the kettle black. The motorist revved his car and hit two of the cyclists, which provoked the incident!
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 21:54:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'I') see you only like to tell one side of the story. These assholes have a history of problems with the police. By-and-large these are not poor innocent little bikers.

conflicts

Also, on the same day with the same group out in Seattle, we find this little gem: Monthly bicycle protest marred by violence

These whiny minions can take their bikes and shove them right up their ass as far as I'm concerned. I think biking is great. I bike frequently. But my sympathy for this group is damn near zero. Deliberately disrupting society to push your liberal agenda is uncalled for. If you're willing to protest, you should also be willing to deal with the consequences.


The spirit of democracy--alive and well in the U.S....NOT! I pity your children and your children's children for the hell this type of attitude is creating for them.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Prince » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 22:21:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')ou're like the pot calling the kettle black. The motorist revved his car and hit two of the cyclists, which provoked the incident!

You obviously have no interest in actually reading the article, so let me summarize some highlights for you:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Article', '.')..the protest tactics include filling the streets with bikes, putting a stop to vehicular traffic.
The riders were employing this tactic just as the motorist and his companion were about to drive off, Jamieson said.
"The bicyclists were using both sides of the roadway, effectively blocking traffic," he said.
According to what some witnesses told police, an altercation with the driver ensued and some of those on bikes began sitting on his car and hitting the vehicle, Jamieson said.
The driver tried to back up, he said, and struck a bike. That's when bicyclists really began attacking the vehicle. "They broke his windshield and they broke the rear window and did some additional body damage," Jamieson said. The driver told officers he feared for his safety and that of his girlfriend, so he sped off, hitting other bikes and riders.

We have eye witnesses suggesting that the cyclists were causing deliberate disruption and harm. If I had a bunch of people assaulting and threatening me while I'm in a vehicle I'd do whatever I could do to get out of there. Cut the lying liberal bullshit because you'd do the same. As for the NYC incident, I in no way condone what the officer did. However, given the violent and disruptive history of this group and their lack of respect for the law and citizens, all precautions must be taken. This idiot decided to associate himself with a group that has a history of irrational decisions. Let his beating serve as an example for others.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')he spirit of democracy--alive and well in the U.S....NOT! I pity your children and your children's children for the hell this type of attitude is creating for them.

Who said anything about having kids? By the way, before you make baseless judgments, I was very sympathetic in this case until I found out who was involved. Okay, so one victim who might have been innocent. It doesn't make up for the years of antagonistic behavior they've demonstrated to everyone else.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby some_guy282 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 22:44:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'I') see you only like to tell one side of the story. These assholes have a history of problems with the police. By-and-large these are not poor innocent little bikers. conflicts

There's no denying that there has been a lot of conflict between the CM riders and the NYPD, but I've followed it closely and the crackdown on the riders has been very totalitarian. It all started after the RNC when the ride was overtaken by thousands of riders who wanted to protest the republicans, when usually the only political agenda of the ride is to promote cycling.

After that the position of the city and police was basically, the ride was breaking the law and had to stop. Which was true, the riders were breaking traffic laws. But for years the ride had bothered no one and the city turned a blind eye to it. In fact, there was a police presence at the rides before the RNC - to help things run more smoothly! Cops on motor scooters corked streets the same way cyclists have to many complaints. But after the RNC the city took the position that they were going to enforce traffic laws on the riders. No more running red lights or stop lights, corking streets, etc.

For months after this the CM riders stubbornly tried to ride the way they had for years and were met with police resistance. Rather than just fining them for running the stop signs, etc. the way they would with drivers though, the police instead arrested every CM rider they stopped and confiscated their bikes. This went on for several months, with many lawsuits being filed in the meantime. All the while ridership declines, and eventually the consensus of remaining riders is, "Ok, if they want us to obey all the traffic laws we will." So the riders start obeying ALL traffic laws. In response the police begin issuing tickets for things like not having a bell or lights, and giving out tickets on totally bogus charges (IE running a red light when the cyclist had done no such thing).

Of course the bikers get wise to this quickly, and it's not long before everyone on the ride has a bell and lights. The police continue issuing bogus tickets (primarily for disorderly conduct). Since the NYPD had no legal ground to continue arresting people at the rides (since almost everyone was obeying traffic laws) they pushed hard for months to pass a new Parade law, which classified any group of 50 or more people as a parade that needed a permit. Eventually it passed and this was the primary tool used to arrest riders. Some time later the law was ruled unconstitutional and thrown out.

So that's pretty much where things stand now. CM in NYC has been reduced to a very small number of riders compared to what it was 5 years ago, and for the most part they go out of their way to obey traffic laws and the police department still devotes large resources to trying to stamp the ride out completely. This latest incident falls in line with what has been happening pretty closely. In the video you can clearly see the rider moving to avoid the officer. The officer moves into the rider and knocks him off the bike. The result? The rider is charged with attempted assault. :roll:

Whether or not you agree with the tactics and agenda of Critical Mass, the officer in the video was clearly out of line and needs to be punished for his actions.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 00:02:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'T')his idiot decided to associate himself with a group that has a history of irrational decisions. Let his beating serve as an example for others.

You sound like a pig-headed fascist with crippled reasoning skills. This person who was assaulted by the cop, what gives you the right to call him an idiot? I saw him bicycling and being assaulted, that's it. No other conclusion can assuredly be made of him or his actions since that is all we see. The fact that you would justify such random violence from the cop is a indictment on your apparently violent and sociopathic character.

Your pathetic argument using weakly-constructed associations to draw your completely unsupported conclusions suggests especially poor-quality education in your past. To illustrate how ridiculous it is, I would be able to draw this inference using your guilt by association technique: "I own a German Shepherd. German Shepherds were owned by the Nazis. Jesus Christ, I must be a Nazi!" How dare you justify such behavior. No one who understands what it is to be American would be able to justify such a thing. I've got one question for you. Are you a police officer?
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Eli » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 00:21:26

To steal a concept from George Carlin, the problem with America right now is that everyone is trying to live the American Dream, the only way to do that is by being asleep.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Twilight » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 16:32:38

It is called civil disobedience. Obstruction? No s***. If it wasn't for that, India would still be ruled by the British and Eastern Europe by the communists. And then there would be the status of black people in the US... except there would not be a US. The British Empire maintains order again.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby Byron100 » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 17:35:16

That's just sad. Really, really sad. Once again, I ashamed to be an American. Although I live here, a pox on her house. Bring it on, fates, give us what you've got...as we so deserve it. A world without a fascist America is a better world for all of us...
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby mercurygirl » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 18:07:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'T')here's no denying that there has been a lot of conflict between the CM riders and the NYPD, but I've followed it closely and the crackdown on the riders has been very totalitarian. (snip) Whether or not you agree with the tactics and agenda of Critical Mass, the officer in the video was clearly out of line and needs to be punished for his actions.

Typical of the us-vs-them, brutal police mentality that used to be simply racist, but is now political and turned upon all sorts of citizens. Are they supposed to be "protecting and serving" when many of them have contempt for much of society?
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby jupiters_release » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 18:24:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'A') world without a fascist America is a better world for all of us...

I agree with you but America and all other nations are servant to policy makers who act primarily if not purely on private interest. Regarding fascism we haven't seen anything yet, the downside of global oil production will come with a scale of war, genocide, and martial law far beyond what we can ever conceive of relative to all previous history.
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Re: NYPD

Unread postby some_guy282 » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 00:19:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'T')ypical of the us-vs-them, brutal police mentality that used to be simply racist, but is now political and turned upon all sorts of citizens. Are they supposed to be "protecting and serving" when many of them have contempt for much of society?

I've often asked the same question myself. Not all of the cops cracking down on CM are as bad as the asshole featured in the video though. Many of them are as courteous as they can be given the circumstances. Prior to the last mayoral election some cops were quietly telling the riders they were arresting that they should vote for change...
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