[Precipice]

Ever heard of the Kardashevian Scale? It relates to how civilizations might hypothetically evolve in terms of energy utilisation; Type 1 civilizations can harness all of the energy of their home planet; Type 2 can harvest all of the power of its sun; and a Type 3 can use the energy from its entire galaxy.

Here is an article that I thought might interest you, if nothing else because of the mentality that seems to underpin it: link
....aside from getting the distinct impression that this article is actually about pushing a certain political/economic agenda, the very idea of a "Type 1" civilization seems unrealistic and not necessarily ideal. How could a civilization harness the entire energy supply of its home planet, let alone its whole galaxy without bringing itself to ruin in the attempt ?

[mark]

One cannot "live in a win-win world and become a Type 1 civilization by spreading liberal democracy and free trade." You cannot "lead" anyone to do or become anything that they have not done for themselves. Our so-called leaders are the last to actually believe such nonsense though they don't mind the rest of believing that. "They" simply want more for themselves.

[pup55]

Most of Earth is still at 0.5 or lower, and unfortunately, the tendency is for societies to slip downward on the scale, rather than upward.

[EnergyUnlimited]

For about 30 nanoseconds after Tsar Bomba was detonated, we was much above Type 1 civilization.
If 100 times bigger H-bomb was detonated, we would become Type 2 civillization for a fraction of microsecond at least.
That is because detonating Tsar Bomba produced about 1% of energy, which Sun produces at the same time.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Precipice', 't')he very idea of a "Type 1" civilization seems unrealistic and not necessarily ideal. How could a civilization harness the entire energy supply of its home planet, let alone its whole galaxy without bringing itself to ruin in the attempt ?

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'I')f you understood entropy....you would answer that question for yourself and never have posted this thread...

This thread falls under the subheading of NO FREE LUNCHES ever*.

namaste

golem

* on this 'side', however on the other side a cornucopia, a banquet awaits...

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'I')f you understood entropy....you would answer that question for yourself and never have posted this thread...

This thread falls under the subheading of NO FREE LUNCHES ever*.

namaste

golem

* on this 'side', however on the other side a cornucopia, a banquet awaits...

[comprehensive]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Precipice', 'E')ver heard of the Kardashevian Scale? It relates to how civilizations might hypothetically evolve in terms of energy utilisation; Type 1 civilizations can harness all of the energy of their home planet; Type 2 can harvest all of the power of its sun; and a Type 3 can use the energy from its entire galaxy.

Here is an article that I thought might interest you, if nothing else because of the mentality that seems to underpin it: link
....aside from getting the distinct impression that this article is actually about pushing a certain political/economic agenda, the very idea of a "Type 1" civilization seems unrealistic and not necessarily ideal. How could a civilization harness the entire energy supply of its home planet, let alone its whole galaxy without bringing itself to ruin in the attempt ?

[TheDude]

Your story doesn't mention population at all. SF writers either ignored it while depicting humanity colonizing space etc or wrote of its exponential growth as being our demise - ecological issues were popular in SF of the 70s. Mostly this paucity of vision owed to an unshakable faith in the possibility of fusion power, not to mention the potential of colonizing space in the first place.

There have been more nuanced writers of course, whether any solidly have address the potential of finiteness of energy I'm not sure. The utopian type writers actively detested the whole Limits to Growth message - one character in Lucifer's Hammer even complains about the Club of Rome!

Marshall Savage in The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps envisioned humanity colonizing the oceans and using Ocean thermal energy conversion. Interesting book.

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'Y')our story doesn't mention population at all. SF writers either ignored it while depicting humanity colonizing space etc or wrote of its exponential growth as being our demise - ecological issues were popular in SF of the 70s. Mostly this paucity of vision owed to an unshakable faith in the possibility of fusion power, not to mention the potential of colonizing space in the first place.

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Precipice', 't')he very idea of a "Type 1" civilization seems unrealistic and not necessarily ideal. How could a civilization harness the entire energy supply of its home planet, let alone its whole galaxy without bringing itself to ruin in the attempt ?

[Alcassin]

Humans shouldn't go to space unless they solved problems on Earth.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '
')Well, very likely most of the civilization wont be biological by that point, so it doesnt really matter.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Precipice', 't')he very idea of a "Type 1" civilization seems unrealistic and not necessarily ideal. How could a civilization harness the entire energy supply of its home planet, let alone its whole galaxy without bringing itself to ruin in the attempt ?

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anagami', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Precipice', 't')he very idea of a "Type 1" civilization seems unrealistic and not necessarily ideal. How could a civilization harness the entire energy supply of its home planet, let alone its whole galaxy without bringing itself to ruin in the attempt ?