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Unread postby wordsmyth » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 12:42:47

You have very little understanding of the events that are taking place in the world. You are obviously detached form the natural world and have very little knowledge of how much resources are needed and that are available to produce your "changes". I have no problem with change. If you have not changed the changes caused by global resource dpeltion will force you to change or die.You have very little undrerstanding of what changes are needed in order for humans to speciate and not go extinct. Your technological changes are from people that hsve spent most of their lives insulated in artifical environements being formulated and weenedon the industrial cmp
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easy heat, AC, food, TV, everything at your disposal.[/quote]

Holmes: you obviously have a major problem expressing yourself in English. I can offer you remedial English training but my fee would be huge. Alternatively, I'd suggest searching the listings for your local community college. They often have courses tailored for those with your disadvantages.
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Unread postby wordsmyth » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 12:45:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', ' ')Bashing all those who claim their right to knowledge, no longer works.


Lorenzo - exactly my point. It is time the doomsters tried to learn something about the broader world - markets would be a good start.

BTW: You're nothing to do with Lorenzo's oil I assume?
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It isn't a question of new resources but new technologies.

Unread postby wordsmyth » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 13:00:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nless technology provides a "new oil", to replace declining oil reserves we are left in the same sinking boat.


Oil currently makes up about 39% of the primary energy supply. As our technologies develop we are using that resource more and more efficiently. Other advancing technologies are allowing us to capture and use a range of other resources more efficiently.

The underlying technologies required to capture, store and use energy are advancing all the time and the primary drivers behind this process are financial. That is the reason the energy slate is already complex and becoming more so. As the underlying price of each of unit of energy rises - in real as well as nominal terms, the incentives to capture various resources grows.

That means substitution will continue to expand. Fuel cells are already - very slowly - working their way into the static generation market. As I am sure you know, they can be powered by hydrocarbons or renewables. Advances in biotech are opening up a host of new possibilities. Advance in nanotechnology are also highly likely to make a difference in the medium to long term.
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Unread postby Aaron » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 13:17:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il currently makes up about 39% of the primary energy supply. As our technologies develop we are using that resource more and more efficiently. Other advancing technologies are allowing us to capture and use a range of other resources more efficiently.


And in spit of this, our world has consumed even greater amounts energy each year than the previous year, (with some notable exceptions). Efficiency gains = lower energy prices = increased net use.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he underlying technologies required to capture, store and use energy are advancing all the time and the primary drivers behind this process are financial. That is the reason the energy slate is already complex and becoming more so. As the underlying price of each of unit of energy rises - in real as well as nominal terms, the incentives to capture various resources grows.


Quite so... the engineering advances for known technologies have expanded the uses and relative utility of these technologies. And these engineering advances are indeed driven by funding.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat means substitution will continue to expand. Fuel cells are already - very slowly - working their way into the static generation market. As I am sure you know, they can be powered by hydrocarbons or renewables. Advances in biotech are opening up a host of new possibilities. Advance in nanotechnology are also highly likely to make a difference in the medium to long term.


Fuel cells carry a negative EROEI and in any event are not a power source but a carrier technology. Fuel Cells (read really good batteries) can accept power from any source as you stated. Hydrogen power is in the same boat... You still require an original source.

When I spoke to Dr Smalley (Director Rice Carbon Nanotechnology Labs), in his office several months ago, he told me that the advances needed for nanotechnology to significantly affect energy related technology requires primary scientific breakthroughs to achieve, and that the world does not currently posses enough facilities and trained scientists to produce these breakthroughs no matter how much money we throw at the problem.

Given the time required to educate enough people in sub atomic physics, unless projections of peak oil are drastically wrong, it is doubtful we have the time.

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The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Unread postby seahorse » Mon 14 Mar 2005, 22:32:46

wordsmyth, your unwarranted personal attack on Holme's english just shows you're a jack ass and didn't learn anything from whatever schooling you had. You're a jackass for attacking his use of a second language. Unlike you, I'm impressed that Holme's is able to converse as well as he can on this forum in a second language. I would bet you can't do the same. But, the difference between you and I on this issue is you must subscribe to the ignorant belief that everyone should speak english (that's a whole other debate). For someone who thinks they're so educated, you showed your true colors on that attack against Holmes. Its really ironic that many of your posts comment on how it was wrong to attack you personally (your picture for example), yet you do the same with Holmes. Typical.

Instead of wasting time attacking Holmes, why don't you answer the questions that were posed to you, so we can weigh the credibility of your optimistic opinion, namely, that technology will save us. Let us know if oil is a finite resource and why you believe whether it is or isn't. If you believe it is finite, tell us when you believe it will peak, and where you get your information as to date of peak. Let us know where you stand on basic geology questions first, then we'll discuss how realitic these hypothetical breakthroughs are that you believe will save us.

Also, I would like to hear your thoughts on the recent report made to the US DOE about mitigating the effects of peak oil (February 2005). I assume you've read this, since you are so optimistic on the issue of peak oil, I would like to hear your take on it.

Last, I would add to the questions I would like you to answer. I ask that you review the questions posed to the experts in the experts forum. I posted some questions for Michael Lynch to answer, called Open Challenge to Lynch. Lynch is quite optimistic like you, so I asked him to answer some basic questions. I too, would like to be as optimistic as you and him, but, opinions not based on facts are of no value. So, take the time to answer the questions, and post your answers here on this message board. I'll be waiting. If you can't or won't, then take your personal attacks and your baseless optimistic opinion elsewhere, bc they have nothing to add to this debate to people that are hear to learn.
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Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 00:32:24

We got a live one here. Is wordsmyth an oil industry apologist? Check this out:
http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/2005/0 ... -game.html

Wordsmyth, you must know what's going on. Please do tell?
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Unread postby julianj » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 06:28:23

Hi WHT,

The url you posted has gone, but a little digging found me Wordsmyth's site, which Mobjectivist referred to:

Wordsmyth's Shellcrisis.com

I found my eyelips drooping as I tried to grind through Wordsmyth's pages, I prefer to agree with Mobjectivist's occam's razor - Peak and its ramificaitons are the simpler answer.
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Re: Remedial English - but the fee will be large

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Wed 16 Mar 2005, 02:35:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wordsmyth', 'H')olmes: you obviously have a major problem expressing yourself in English. I can offer you remedial English training but my fee would be huge. Alternatively, I'd suggest searching the listings for your local community college. They often have courses tailored for those with your disadvantages.


wordsmyth: you obviously have a major problem using the "quote" function of Internet forums. I can offer you remedial quote training but my fee would be huge. Alternatively, I'd suggest searching the listings for your local community college. They often have courses tailored for those with your disadvantages.
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Re: Remedial English - but the fee will be large

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Wed 16 Mar 2005, 02:51:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wordsmyth', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'Y')ou have very little understanding of the events that are taking place in the world. You are obviously detached form the natural world and have very little knowledge of how much resources are needed and that are available to produce your "changes". I have no problem with change. If you have not changed the changes caused by global resource dpeltion will force you to change or die.You have very little undrerstanding of what changes are needed in order for humans to speciate and not go extinct. Your technological changes are from people that hsve spent most of their lives insulated in artifical environements being formulated and weenedon the industrial cmp
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easy heat, AC, food, TV, everything at your disposal.


Holmes: you obviously have a major problem expressing yourself in English. I can offer you remedial English training but my fee would be huge. Alternatively, I'd suggest searching the listings for your local community college. They often have courses tailored for those with your disadvantages.


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'ow much you charge for lat'n trainin' then, guv?
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Re: Remedial English - but the fee will be large

Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 02:31:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tokyo_to_motueka', ''')ow much you charge for lat'n trainin' then, guv?


Right-O and bloody well boffo then.
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