[Barbara]

This topic reminds me of that wonderful Isaac Asimov's novel "Nocturnus".
Very sad perspective...

[Wildwell]

Depends if your paying the bill I guess or out in the middle of the night playing vampire.

Come on positive suggestions please...

[Xelat]

I'm sure that there is power to be saved by making streetlights more efficient and optimizing the output however street lighting in the US contributes to a signifcant reduction in crime.

[cube]

I may end up ruffling a couple feathers here by saying this but the primary benefit of switching over to LED's for traffic lights is not the lower electricity bill but instead minimizing the maintenance bill.

Because LED's operate at a lower temperature they last longer, about 5 times longer then regular light bulbs. Therefore you do not have to replace them as often....therefore the cost of paying some unionized government worker to shut down the street every time a bulb needs to be replaced is significantly reduced.

The amount of money the government saves by cutting their maintence bill by 5 fold is far more significant then the amount of electricity saved. But if the mainstream media asks we just say it's better for the environment because it the sounds a lot nicer. That and the media likes "simple" answers I used to work for the DOT in Cali.

[Kingcoal]

Unfortunately, electricity can't be stored in large quantities. Unless you fancy a nightly powerdown, where your electric is shut off, the plants have to keep going. We might as well use the electricity for something.

[Windsun]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xelat', 'I')'m sure that there is power to be saved by making streetlights more efficient and optimizing the output however street lighting in the US contributes to a signifcant reduction in crime.

[RdSnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'U')nfortunately, electricity can't be stored in large quantities. Unless you fancy a nightly powerdown, where your electric is shut off, the plants have to keep going. We might as well use the electricity for something.

[gg3]

Any net gain of efficiency is good.

Understood about not spinning-down the generators at night. We may also be charging our electric cars at night.

And if switching to LEDs saves maintenance costs, all the better.

People who are at work away from home during the day could turn off their power during the daytime (except for the fridge) and turn it back on when they get home. This would free up more capacity during the day for commercial uses.

A 24/7 society with workplaces on staggered hours, offers the potential of reducing peak demand loads, allowing generators to run at lower average output levels.

[smiley]

Hmmm....... street lighting was one of the first practical uses of electricity. It also was one of the first practical applications of oil and gas.

I guess that it does serve some purpose and I'm not sure that it should be the first thing we should abolish.

[EnviroEngr]

The last thing I remember about Li Batteries...

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', 'H')i World,

I just found this web site

http://www.optiled.biz/faqs/faqs.html

Seems LED lighting can't quite replace conventional home lighting but it's starting to be a reasonable alternative for outdoor lighting (think security) and at 2 watts, instant-on, long life, ability to turn on and off without degrading the bulb life it's clearly the lighting of the future.

[PlannerBee]

What kind of lighting is best inside a home that does not run on electricity. I am particularly interested in the kerosene types but am wondering if certain types use less kerosene that others, are some better shielded from the wind if you needed to go outside with it, etc. Pros and cons. Ideas and links for buying them?

How about wind up lighting other than a flashlight?

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', 'W')hat kind of lighting is best inside a home that does not run on electricity. I am particularly interested in the kerosene types but am wondering if certain types use less kerosene that others, are some better shielded from the wind if you needed to go outside with it, etc. Pros and cons. Ideas and links for buying them?

How about wind up lighting other than a flashlight?

[PlannerBee]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', 'W')hat kind of lighting is best inside a home that does not run on electricity. I am particularly interested in the kerosene types but am wondering if certain types use less kerosene that others, are some better shielded from the wind if you needed to go outside with it, etc. Pros and cons. Ideas and links for buying them?

How about wind up lighting other than a flashlight?

[EnviroEngr]

Neo,

Do I guess correctly that you were being surreptitiously facetious?

If so, I don't think PlannerBee picked up on it.

[PlannerBee]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', '[')b]Neo,

Do I guess correctly that you were being surreptitiously facetious?

If so, I don't think PlannerBee picked up on it.

[OldSprocket]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', 'W')hat kind of lighting is best inside a home that does not run on electricity. I am particularly interested in the kerosene types but am wondering if certain types use less kerosene that others, are some better shielded from the wind if you needed to go outside with it, etc. Pros and cons. Ideas and links for buying them?

How about wind up lighting other than a flashlight?

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', '[')b]Neo,

Do I guess correctly that you were being surreptitiously facetious?

If so, I don't think PlannerBee picked up on it.

[RonMN]

ULTRA-PURE is the lamp oil you want to use INDOORS! But lamps i'm not certain...the best are aladin (about $100-$300) or the standard oil lamp (about $7)...i decided on several standard rather than 1 or 2 aladin's

[aldente]

For those of you who read German here an article that opposes fluorecent lights : http://www.mp3-musicstation.de/orgon/dor.htm